51 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

She is a Feruchemist.

I agree. She has access to connection. Probably a Ferring but she could be a full Feruchemist. 

A Terriswoman named Axindweth (we know she is a Terriswoman because of her name and rings) gives Venli the gemstone containing Ulim. She is working with Odium, but she could be sided with the Sons of Honor. She is a Worldhopper who “left the planet” when discovered by an agent of her own kind, presumably another Terrisperson. Interestingly, a month or two ago on another thread, it is mentioned that there is a man in the prologue who wears many rings. Could this be the same man as the agent that discovered her? If so, who is he working for, and why?

RoW was an excellent book in all the right ways for me. I realize that others might have differing opinions, but I think this book has some amazing, astounding, bewildering plot twists. We now have new lore, new magic systems, and new plots. However I have a few things I did not like:

• Sending Dalinar and Jasnah away to Emul. This felt like it was done only to get them away from Urithiru, and we got very few chapters from their veiwpoints. However, I did like what we got. 
• The info dump. There is just so much information that just got dropped on us, from lore to light combinations to anti-Investiture to Kelsier of all people being hinted. I love how we got all the information, but it kind of hit me like a train. 
• A minor thing, but I am wondering how Lasting Integrity maintains its gravity alteration. It’s really a small thing, but I found it annoying. Perhaps I am spoiled with Brandon always explaining magic systems. 
• Some of the Pursuers lines were kind of cringey. He spotted some cliche villain lines that I didn’t quite like. Once again a minor thing, but still annoying. 

As @Necessary Eagle has said, I expect I will get over the initial shock and emotions of reading a book like this. I will undoubtedly find it much better on a reread. The book is like a smooth rock that has a few imperfections; you can’t help but notice the flaws, all the while ignoring the perfection it holds. 

RIP Teft. 

Invention...

My soul is broken. Innovation is so much more suited to the Intent. 

I’m just going to reread part one until my book arrives. See y’all in the threads. 

2 minutes ago, StormingTexan said:

Stormlight Eve

Oh I see what you did there. 

So you’re an alpha beta gamma delta kappa zeta reader?

Edit: or are you epsilon?

19 minutes ago, Czernobog said:

Nikli say says 

So...upon what grounds other than Roshar have the Sleepless' hordelings trod, to witness a world ending? Ashyn? Threnody?

Yeah, I was thinking Ashyn. 

9 hours ago, Honorless said:

I'd rather she not play around with stuff like friggin gamma rays too much.

This. Don’t. Just... don’t. The surge of Division is much more precise. Lightweaving gamma rays around is bound to cause more than a few problems. 

11 minutes ago, Mason Wheeler said:

The one thing that really threw me out of the story was the fight with the giant hordeling.  There are two Windrunners there, and neither one thought to Lash the thing into the sky?

We know that Kaladin is familiar with the concept of offensive Lashing because he's seen Szeth do it.  I can't recall ever seeing him or another Windrunner do it themselves, though.  Can anyone think of an example of when the Windrunners have done this, or a WOB explaining why they haven't?  Because it kind of feels like it ought to be a major trump card for them, especially the ones who don't have Shardblades yet!

I think it might have taken too much Stormlight, especially considering the giant’s weight and the Stormlight-stealing creatures. 

This is somewhat unrelated to Dawnshards, but the Sleepless seem convinced that the Radients will destroy them, especially Dalinar who has made the choice of honor (probably his 3rd oath). Arclo is a rouge Sleepless as the Sleepless council mentioned. As for this Sleepless council, they seem to give authority to age. A Sleepless’s age goes back to time their swarm was “Separated.” Could this be the result of a Dawnshard dividing them? One of the Sleepless mentions that “you were not yet Separated during the scouring.” So he was partially separated, as the Sleepless said “not yet.” (Maybe I’m reading too much into that “yet”). Nikli also notes that “When the swarm that had become Nikli had been Separated...” So all Sleepless go through a kind of Proto-Sleepless phase where they are a swarm but not yet Separated. The oldest Sleepless seem to have authority, but Nikli mentioned that the oldest is the “oldest of the swarms on Roshar.” On Roshar. There might be older swarms out there, especially considering that the Sleepless aren’t native to Roshar. Only twenty Sleepless accept the rule of the first swarm. Why not all?

So, I’m going to list what we learned from Cord here along with some of my speculations. 

• The Horneaters consider themselves the “guardians of the pool,” presumably Cultivation’s perpendicularity. 
• People from the Spren world, presumably Worldhoppers, come from the perpendicularity to trade. 
• Rock drew a bow known as the “bow of hours” which signaled the dawn of a new millennium, heralding the “years of change.” However, by most of Roshar’s time it is a hundred years or so since the last millennium. The Horneaters seem to follow a different calendar. 
•  The person who draws the bow of hours is possibly called the “Fal’ala’liki’nor.”
• According to a treaty with the gods (Spren) and the Horneaters (or as Cord said, the “Seven Sacred Peaks”) a god (or Spren) cannot harm a daughter of the drawer of the bow of hours. This might extend to other family members as well. This pact is ancient and probably holds other stipulations as well but doesn’t extend to the Sleepless. 
• The Sleepless do not want to harm a “Sighted one,” which seem to be people who can see Spren. 

9 hours ago, Eternal Khol said:

Omg the spoilerssss!!!! Way more than i was expecting

major Major spoilers

  Reveal hidden contents

Dawnshards killed Adonalsium!!! And Rysn is one of the dawnshards now!!

 

Ok, I thought you were kidding there. 

Should I make a Dawnshard discussion or something?

2 minutes ago, Knight of Iron said:

I ain’t sleeping tonight...

No one here is. 

It’s here!

4 minutes ago, StormingTexan said:

Maybe tomorrow 

 

 

 

I can wait until tomorrow (maybe).

Between checking this and the election, I have no idea no I’ve gotten stuff done today. 

So, what are everyone’s views about Moash, especially considering recent actions seen in the preview chapters? I understand there is a lot of grey area; perhaps you think that Moash is a good, but misguided, person. Or perhaps you think he is corrupted by the Unmade. Or maybe you can’t decide.

As for the second question, the options once again have a fair bit of ambiguity. If Moash doesn’t get redeemed, he might just die without much of a conflict. Or perhaps Moash will live/die unredeemed, having destroyed Bridge Four and wreaked havoc everywhere. 

I am interested to see what everyone thinks about these questions. 

1 minute ago, Raphaborn said:

Chromium is reverse aluminum in MB, why is everyone so sure that the new metal is Chromium? What would make the most sense would be Duralumin or Nicrosil.

Navani could probably recognize nicrosil. As for duralumin, that just doesn’t seem to fit with Investiture draining. 

Navani’s lectures are fascinating as always. The pressure differential is fascinating. As for the metal in the spears, I’d say it is chromium. Nicrosil and aluminum would be probably recognizable by Navani. As for Kaladin, I don’t think he will be a surgeon for the rest of the book- he just needs to get back on his feet. 

Interesting. I should probably read WoK prime at some point... anyway, I’m glad to get some information on the character development of Jasnah and her sexual orientation. It’s fascinating to see into the mind of an author and how they made their books. 

I personally think that Hoid is revealing some cosmere/realmatic secrets to Jasnah. These secrets can only be shared in private, and thus the rumors of a secret relationship. Hoid has a goal, Jasnah has a goal, and they both aren’t ones to get distracted. I don’t think there is anything to the rumors. 

3 minutes ago, yulerule said:

Regarding Lyn's and Alice's speculations from the Tor Discussion, my thoughts copied over from Tor thread:

 

Regarding Jasnah and Hoid. I think we’re seeing this from Navani’s point of view, plus the rumors, and everyone is making the incorrect assumption. I feel like maybe Hoid has been telling Jasnah something. About the Cosmere, or Realmatics, or something.  And she probably knows that he’s more than he lets on. I have no idea what information Hoid’s been sharing with Jasnah, but that’s probably what causes others to assume else is going on.

This. We shouldn’t make assumptions without concrete evidence.