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Are you saying that Formless drew the cryptics standing around her in Way of Kings? Because chapter 13, the chapter of RoW that I think you’re referring to, is more similar to the WoK than to blacking out. And how could formless take over enough to make her draw what Formless wants her to without interfering with the artistic ability that only Shallan seems to have? She doesn’t seem to be fading out in RoW, just thinking about other things while drawing. Multi-tasking. As for your examples of being emotionless (perhaps shock was the wrong word) the writing in the first three books is still more consistent with trauma than any other psychological disorder. A traumatic experience like being almost killed by, and then killing Tyn left Shallan unnerved, but if an argument is to made that another personality took over, it was Radiant, not Formless. The purpose, delivery, and conciseness is very Radiant like, even if she is a bit more emotional than we have seen of Radiant. But then, we haven’t seen Radiant in a situation like that. Your point about blanket diagnosis is excellent, but the symptoms simply do not match DID, but do match other factors like the trauma she was currently experiencing. At this point I’d like to bring back the argument that Sanderson would make Formless the child personality simply to be realistic and consistent with the majority of this disorder. (What is OSDD?)

Wait, hold y’all’s horses a minute-where are all these arguments about ‘feeling cold’ coming from? Durkon’s paradox, that can’t be right! The first example you gave can’t be formless/id personality because that was Re-Shephir. The cold feeling, the feeling of wrongness, the strange drawings, that was all caused by the Midnight Mother. Renarin felt it too- remember the blanket?- and the weird drawings and cold sensation went away after they drove her away from the pillar. That’s not related to Formless. The second examples aren’t right either. That‘a Durkon’s Paradox. (Not everything is related to her disorder.) When she killed her father, and when she killed Tyn, the description of the ‘cold feeling’ is different and matches the symptoms of shock. She was in shock; that’s a normal reaction and has nothing to do with DID. And the few other times she describes something like a ‘cold feeling’ the situation and description match anxiety. Something in the present reminded her of something in her past that she didn’t want to think about because she was afraid of others finding out about it. She got that anxious feeling about all of her secrets: the one that created Veil and the one that created Radiant but she mentions no kind of ‘cold feeling’ when Formless stirs in her in Rhythm of war! How can any of this be related Formless?

That's a great argument but the 'child persona' isn't just childish but should also have the mannerisms and vocabulary of a child. Shallan's not as mature maybe, but she doesn't still act like the nine year old (or however old she was) when she killed her mother. I do like your theory of the protector personality, (but that does make it sound like the 'id' from Sigmund Freud's crazy theories of the personality; the id is the unformed part that houses all of the instinctual drives and I've never liked Freud) and you've got great examples for it. The one flaw is that when we first see Formless named, its not in a life-or-death situation. All the other personalities we've first seen in the part of her that it eventually took control of. Veil when she first went to meet the Ghostbloods, and Radiant to handle her sword and other radiant abilities. Formless showed up kinda randomly when she was talking to Adolin about the mission, but not when she was alone with the murderer Ialai Sadeas.

A theory about Formless based on psychology. Dissociative Identity Disorder (formerly called multiple personality syndrome) is a reaction to trauma that is intended to keep difficult memories at bay by becoming a different person. It's often theorized that this disorder affects Shallan and combines with her powers to form Veil, Radiant, and most recently Formless. Most of those with DID don't have more than three or four separate personalities. Shallan only has one more Ideal. Therefore, I think it's safe to assume, both from the Radiant Ideals perspective and from the psychology perspective that Formless is the last new personality. Because of the way DID begins, the interesting thing about those who suffer from DID is that no matter how many personalities they have, from two to twenty, there is usually a dominant personality and ALWAYS a child personality. We already have the dominant-Shallan-but we don't have the child personality from when the disorder first started (because DID almost always starts in children) Brandon Sanderson does his research, and I think he'll try to make Shallan's disorder as real as possible by making Formless the child personality. Also, what else could be the purpose of Formless? There's been a lot of debate about what usefulness Formless is supposed to have to Shallan; and really, there can't be anything useful about another personality, except that she needs to confront the child she was to move forward. And that's why I think Formless is a childhood Shallan.

I wrote a ketek, because class was boring. Did I do it right? Stormblessed named, always, am I standing above? We above stand, I am always named Stormblessed.

Yeah, but don’t forget that Kelsier tempted Spook with the possibility of immortality, using what the lord ruler did as an example, and that’s why spook agreed to help him

Bother. I liked my theory. But there’s little wiggle room in that. Thanks

I read all the books but I can’t keep up with a lot of theories cause I don’t know what brandons confirmed or not. Is there a place just for that?

Do we really know that it’s Kelsier in BoM?Is it a wob? Somebody help me out. If Brandon doesn’t specifically say that it’s Kelsier, it’s gotta be Spook. 1: Kelsier told him to go experiment with the leftover spikes at the end of Secret History. 2: Spook wrote that book on Hemalurgy 3: Spook is called the Survivor of the Flames 4: Brandon specifically pointed out the bandages and scars on his arms in hero of ages 5: It’s really too early for Kelsier to have figured out a way to come back 6: it’s just too obvious to be Kelsier. Don’t fall for the Sanderson trick!

If Ba-Ado-Mishram is the parsh spren of stone, who/what is the ninth Unmade? Nine is Odium’s number, not eight. Hessi specifically could not name all nine, but was sure of eight, including BAM, and speculated on Dai-Gonarthis. All of the sentient Unmade have hyphenated names. If the Stormstriders are displaced parsh gods of wind and spren, it makes sense that one would walk the storms but not the other. What’s the non-wind doing in another’s territory? The pronoun thing is a big problem for me. If Hessi never referred to BAM as they in her writings, it seems unlikely that she was called they in an lore. If she was the sibling, you haven’t offered any good argument for why Hessi called her female. Your argument about only one part of her having gender identity isn’t a convincing way around the wob. If parts of the sibling were different genders, Sanderson probably would have said that instead, instead of being so misleading. (Or simply RAFO) Why would the Radiants have recorded ‘something is wrong with the sibling’ and then ‘we’re going after BAM’? It’s ridiculously deceiving to switch terms like that. Also, if BAM had started off as an Unmade and then transitioned to the humans’ side with a bond, your theory claims this happens after the first few desolations. That’s millennia! The Radiants would be millennia removed from the last time they had open conversation with parsh......they couldn’t have made that connection. They wouldn’t have known to call her/they the sibling because they wouldn’t know about the three original spren, and the displacements. They would only know her/they as an Unmade now bonded to a Radiant-no way they referred to her as ‘Sibling’ especially if they already had a name (ba-ado-mishram) that they had been using.

So there is no wob about the magic system of Ashyn? Cause the Eila Stele says ‘of spren and surges’-does that mean that those who came from Ashyn originally bonded Odium spren? And doesn’t the name Dawnshards imply that it is something of/relating to the Dawnsingers (parshendi) not Ashyn Humans?

There appears to be a a contradiction in the stormlight archive between the Eila Stele and the Stormfather’s words. The stormfather (In one section) says that the Surgebinders copied what the heralds did. (In another section) that Odium was their first god, before they turned to Honor. However, the Eila Stele claims that Human Surgebinding existed prior to the move from Braize to Roshar- prior to the turn from Odium to Honor- prior to the Heralds. So Surgebinding, which copies the Heralds, shouldn’t exist until after the Oathpact is begun. And the Oathpact began after the move to Roshar, after Humnas begins to fight against Odium. But the Eila Stele claims that Surgebinding ‘destroyed the human’s lands’. The only explanation I can come up with for this discrepancy is that the Heralds existed prior to the Oathpact, but the prelude to the way of kings strongly suggests that the Heralds were created specifically for the purpose of the Oathpact, to hold back the Fused and Odium in Braize. so how does this work?

If Ruin’s body can be atium, isn’t it possible that ‘the force that opposes Adonalsium’ doesn’t just show up through aluminum (which appears impervious to all forms of Ad. Investiture) but he actually is aluminum?

Lift’s spren is named Wyndle. Glys is Renarin’s spren.

What about the rest of the stanza? How does that look like a prophecy? We question if....we dare to have them again.

Also, the Fused seemed to be looking for Timbre near the end of Oathbringer, so he must have known it was possible or he wouldn’t have cared.

How do you know? It also says in this same stanza We question if....we dare to have them again

Actually she’s not the first. In WoR, one of the listener stanzas at the beginning of the chapter is But it is not impossible to blend Their surges to ours in the end

Isn’t Renarin most likely? He’s the rogue element that Odium can’t predict. And he has a lot of secrets that need explaining. Like his epilepsy that Kaladin didn’t think was actually epilepsy in WoR. And, of course, his spren.

The description that Jasnah reads of Truthwatcher spren sounds-or looks?- like Timbre. Is this confirmed, that Venli is going to be a Truthwatcher? And how does Timbre keep a voidspren captive?

The first letter of the Hallandren alphabet is shash, which is also an Alethi glyph that means dangerous.

Are Vasher and Vivienna in Roshar as Zahel and Azure?