Kaladin-Stormblessed

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You know you are a Sanderfan when you got a fanart collection of Stormlight archive that rotates as your desktop background

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You know you are a Sanderfan when you got this hanging in your room

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Suddenly, Vin grew pale. Elend paused, glancing at her, sensing that something was wrong. Not with what he'd said, something else. What is it? Assassins? Mist spirits? Koloss?

"I just realized something," Vin said, looking at him with those intense eyes of hers. "I can't go to a ball—I didn't bring a gown!”

Hey @Grim_Aeonian, Welcome to the 17th Shard

I would say keep the re-read of TWOK at 10... it is a good number. Perhaps it is time to get the re-read counter for TWOR and Oathbringer to 10 too.

Hope you have fun discussing Sanderson books on this forum.

Old but GOLD!!!

When you extensively imagine when Frost would look like and this is what you find matches it the closest

Sorry  @Chaos but I had to

"I understood in a moment of stillness, Those candle flames were like the lives of men. So fragile. So deadly. Left alone, they lit and warmed. Let run rampant, they would destroy the very things they were meant to illuminate. Embryonic bonfires, each bearing a seed of destruction so potent it could tumble cities and dash kings to their knees. In later years, my mind would return to that calm, silent evening, when I had stared at rows of living lights. And I would understand. To be given loyalty is to be infused like a gemstone, to be granted the frightful license to destroy not only one’s self, but all within one’s care" - The way of Kings

In my opinion, Shallan was never right for Kaladin. Kaladin needs someone who is stable, not someone who uses humor as a defense mechanism. However, this part in the story still got me. How he yearns to be happy and finds it beautiful when someone has that capability of at least projecting happiness

26 minutes ago, Honorless said:

@Kaladin-Stormblessed thank you for presenting your opinions and contributing to the discussion at hand

Roshone was partially responsible. Elhokar, out of embarrassment, delayed their release. It was that which led to their deaths.

Agreed, but Elhokar's casual disregard for darkeyes isn't tempered by a genial nature towards all human beings either that Shallan and Adolin have.

Agreed on the other points

I guess I have an issue with people hating on Moash or hating on any character. I believe this stems from their lack of seeing things from the character's perspective. These characters (Moash/Elhokar/Dalinar/Shallan etc) may have a bias or tainted view about certain things. We might not agree with these views but these views are there because of this character's past experiences. That very fact is what makes them a realistic and amazing character.

After all, put yourself in the character's shoes... if you had to experience what they did, isn't it possible that you might react the way that they did? Isn't that what we as a reader like to see in characters - depth, motivation and a certain degree of realism despite the fantastical element of the world they are in.

On 10/14/2019 at 3:24 PM, Honorless said:

Somewhere after finishing WoR, I remember going online and seeing a thread on Reddit about creating a new thread called r/stormmoash. I was vaguely amused, I most certainly did not expect it to become what it has become today.

Stormlight has had some less than True Hero™ characters. This complexity has always been part of what made me love the series. Some characters, like Shallan and Adolin as well as Elhokar are quite notably polarizing. I would count Dalinar in that group too post-Oathbringer. Some are more reviled: Sadeas, Amaram and Moash.

To my surprise, opinion on Kaladin too seems to be quite divisive, mostly due to the existence of the previous characters. He is pointed out as being more traditionally heroic, in contrast to the other characters, on top of being depressing. He seems typically moral than the more complicated history of Dalinar and less fun to read or interact with than Adolin and Shallan.

Dalinar: I feel already tired of explaining my views on him. There are two new threads where I have put forward my views on him "moral miscalculations of Mr Sanderson in Oathbringer" by Parallax and "Dalinar's Genocide" by Hakusho Slick.

Shallan and Adolin mostly come under heat because of their casual racism. Many seem to be thoroughly incensed by Adolin referring to Kaladin as "bridgeboy" as well as his comments on "the world changing" when "even darkeyes have access to Shardblade", the fact that he makes that comment about women having Shardblades also tends to draw frowns (although it is notable that he makes that comment in a positive manner, offering to teach Shallan how to properly wield a Shardblade)

One of the most quoted things for hating against Shallan is the same scene with Adolin, where he makes the comment mentioned above about Shallan's worry about seeming feminine while lugging about a Shardblade. She responds by thinking "thank you for comparing all women to peasants".... Oof. There is the infamous boots scene with Tyn where she bullies Kaladin into giving her his boots. Before that, once again with Tyn, they both try on something (I forget, eye drops? lens? I think it was the former) to darken their eye colour so they could move about freely. Shallan is very excited to shed lighteyes propriety. Then she suddenly gets really worried that there might exist something to make darkeyes seem lighteyes.

 

The point I'm trying to make by going on a spiel about these characters' various controversies is that these things are discussed. Negative opinions and accompanying evidence are examined, others' point of view seen as valid, arguments and counter-arguments are made, and so on.

I'm not saying Moash isn't discussed. I've seen the threads and topics. For example, the Vyre discussions.

I'm pointing that a disproportionately large amount of disliking Moash seems to have become popular simply due to trending.

Oh yes, what he did was not okay but we have characters like Sadeas, Amaram and Roshone right there beside him. Moash killed Elhokar at a pivotal moment. Elhokar did genuinely try to change and was close to swearing his Ideals. Moash succeeded where the others (except Roshone, RIP Tien) didn't.

But there are no threads or discussions simply dedicated to hating any of these other characters.

Moash, on the other hand has the aforementioned very famous hashtag on reddit, people simply drop in to say that they hate him with almost the same frequency that they say "I am Stick".

There are discussions dedicated to simply hating on Moash, such as the Anti Moash Gang. As well as various other such threads on who would kill Moash, etc. People casually drop "I hate Moash" or variations thereof, which get upvoted a lot. These comments often seem to be there for the sole purpose of getting upvotes. There has a become a cycle of *positivity* around the activity of dissing on this character.

Here's the meat of the matter though, the name Moash actually doesn't seem to generate as much hatred as Sadeas or Amaram. It creates amusement. He isn't hated nearly as much as he is associated with lighthearted online banter. People make a "dynamic entry" with a post about how they hate Moash, generally get positive feedback and that's it. This is especially popular on forum games. (I have to admit to having dropped Moash's name in a similar manner. To gauge receptiveness to disagreements against popular opinion during one of my first posts on this site. I had just come from reddit, I wanted to see how people would react. With burns or actual arguments. Thanks to AonEne for providing the latter.) People seem to find hating Moash funny.

I'm genuinely curious (read: very worried) if someone will come and comment "I hate Moash, lol" or "this guy is #Moashdidnothingwrong" or just go "storm Moash"

If you feel strongly about it, try to keep your comments restricted to Moash's actions against Elhokar and Kaladin.

In my opinion, Moash is the other side of the coin. He is what Kaladin could have potentially turned out to be if he had given in to his desire for vengeance/anger in WoR.

Moash wanted Elhokar dead despite the fact that he was not directly responsible for his parents' deaths. He didn't care that it was Roshone who was truly responsible. Like any person seeing red, he placed his blame in the person before him and then actively went about doing whatever he could to ensure that he exacted his revenge.

In all honesty, I do not have the strong hatred towards Moash as many other readers do. I do believe that characters such as Amaram, Roshone and Sadeas are insufferable too. However I believe Moash gets the most hate as the others are either dead or inconsequential to the story right now.

As for your point regarding Shallan, Dalinar and Adolin, I agree that they have character flaws that you have mentioned. However at the very least, the point that separates them from characters like Moash is that they are willing to change for the better. They are willing to work on their flaws, broaden their way of thinking, changing traditional stereotypes along the way and trying to become a better person.

As Dalinar says it best, "Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing"

Pre-Oathbringer, I suppose