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On 4/24/2026 at 1:48 PM, Frustration said:

Yeah, yeah I know these threads are so last month.

I still wanted to do this.

 

I have long said that I don't know how Fused were ever supposed to pose a threat to Radiant forces during the Desolations. Well, I want to see if the people of the internet can change my mind.

 

Your mission:

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During the visions Dalinar sees an obsidian fortress in the purelake, your mission is to take the fortress.

The inside is assumed to be coated in aluminum, and has the following as defenders

1. Windrunners: 1 fifth ideal, 3 fourth ideal, 12 third ideal, 100 squires
2. Skybreakers: 3 third ideal, 3 squires
3. Dustbringers: 1 fourth ideal, 1 third ideal, 12 squires
4. Edgedanncers: 3 third ideal
5. Truthwatchers: None
6. Lightweavers: 2 third ideal
7. Elsecallers: 1 second ideal
8. Willshapers: 4 third ideal
9. Stonewards: 1 Fifth ideal, 3 third ideal, 4 squires
10. Soldiers: 1,000

 

You can take whatever resources you deem necessary, however as this will take place during a Desolation, there is no anti-lights, no everstorm, and only surge fabrials, with no suppressors.

 

How do you do it?

Thuderclast snd the unmade with the fused and regals acting as support should be enough. The heart could cause the leaders to fall into hedonism while the mid night mother murders the middle commanders . While the thrill cause the common men to turn against each other 

then have your army attack from without while the other half attacks from within with the help of Dai-Gonarthis

On 3/5/2026 at 1:10 PM, The Lord of The Mists said:

I would heavily disagree because he is the kindest man in the series and is now stuck with the heralds for many thousands of years and who could blame him if he did develop a love interest with one of them.

Exactly I could easily see him being in a relationship already post time skip. I see no evidence that he is either asexual or aromantic.

On 3/4/2025 at 3:27 PM, Leuthie said:

Kaladin's story arc is over. He's now not mortal. There will be no romance.

Why why not? I see no reason for him not to have a romance now, even if he’s going to just become a side character

8 hours ago, Frustration said:

Whether they can think or not isn't the determining factor. It's power, not intellect that makes the distinction.

 

A weapon that is inordinately powerful could in that sense be a god-weapon.

A particle that is inordinately powerful can be called a god-particle.

A person who is inordinately powerful could be called a god.

Now, I personally do not use the word in that sense, but that's the way that Jasnah uses it.

So you’re saying that she means it metaphorically? Because that is what we mean when we use god in that context 

3 minutes ago, MrHobbes343 said:

What are we defining Atheism as?

 

If we are defining it in the strictest terms possible, as a full and complete denial of the supernatural.

Then Jasnah is not an Athiest. She can slide through dimensions and alter matter at the axion level. She has spoken to a shard and known to some extent it's power. She has seen the SR and experienced it.

 

If we define Athiest in a more moderate ways, as refusal to worship any higher entity. Atheists who say that the shards don't deserve to be called god, because of their manifest and numerous flaws.     

Then Jasnah may define herself as an Atheist not because there are not powers that call themselves gods, but because no power currently manifest in the Cosmere has any moral claim to leadership and respect. I don't care if a tyrant king calls himself god, If he is not omnipotent and omniscient then he is just a powerful dirtbag, shard or no shard. 

 

It all depends on degrees and context. 

I see and I think you are correct atheism is ultimately a useless word as it only tells you what someone does not believe in not what they believe in. 
It’s better to divide it into two categories, spiritualist, and materialist. 
 

She obviously is not a materialist as she lives in a world we’re inmaterial is merely a matter of course. She would probably fall under the category of spiritualist. She believes in the immaterial the spiritual but doesn’t believe in divine authority or follow any divine law other than her own preference . Or something like that at least. Honestly, I’m not sure we have categories for her. She does seem to believe in some kind of divine authority (the title god is a title of authority after all) she just seems to ignore it. 

2 minutes ago, Frustration said:

She said she accepted the word 'god' as a useful description for particularly powerful entities.

That isn't a rejection of Atheism anymore than calling nuclear weapons godlike or calling the Higgs boson the god-particle.

Both things Atheists IRL do.

Except for most atheist, don’t use those terms seriously. As it would imply that both nuclear weapons and particles are thinking agents. Are you implying that she doesn’t believe that Todum is a thinking agent?

19 hours ago, bedtime said:

I'm new to Brandon Sanderson and have so far read The Way of Kings and am currently 88% through Words of Radiance. Should I read Edgedancer or Oathbringer next for the best experience?

Yes, I could look this up online, but I'm afraid I'll bump into spoilers in the search.

Yes, you should definitely read it before there are some key character development that happens in edge dancer that is needed in order to understand the events in oathbringer

On 2/9/2026 at 1:28 PM, Oltux72 said:

Use some of the remaining Stormform to return a few Fused. Then use the Shattered Plains as the core of a nation to be built and strengthen it over a few generations. Then he could try again.

Yes, I agree. This would be his best course of action.  Maybe research an alternative way to restore the parchmen. Without the everstorm. 

On 2/10/2026 at 6:38 PM, Frustration said:

... What?

I mean, Fused must have betrayed Odium in the past given the Rhythm of execution and all, but for this reason?

I feel this was done to appeal to some RPG fandoms by someone who either disregards or doesn't know the lore.

I mean, we’ve seen fuse for betray odium for less important matters than romance I’m not sure it’s so far-fetched. 

On 2/9/2026 at 5:03 PM, Ripheus23 said:

Assuming locale and/or metanarrative symmetry lands Jasnah in a final showdown-debate in Spiritual Kharbranth, with Retribution, at the end of the second half of the Archive, should she abandon her atheism and confess that a di-Shard is sufficiently close to being a "true deity" and so, rather than try to convince Taravangian that he's not truly divine, she should argue that he ought to change his Intent from Retribution to Redemption? Or would that be too difficult without, say, trying to force him to pick up a major fragment of Aona's Shard? (I think that it would be interesting if Retribution sought to absorb major fragments of all the other Shards whose Vessels were killed by Rayse, or at least he'd go after the more "evil-coded" Shard-fragments, but he'd arguably have a quite delicate time trying to disentangle Aona's factor from Skai's in the Dor.)

Nice thought, but I don’t think he is capable of changing retribution into redemption. Just because two words are similar that does not mean that they describe similar concepts. And while vessels can have some influence on their shards intent, they cannot change the overall intent 

19 hours ago, MrHobbes343 said:

So.......Burn down the character and have her compromise everything she believes and has worked for....for an unsatisfying ending?

If T-Odium is talked down from his megalomania I will feel cheated out of the series climax for a "lets all hug it out ending". T-Odium must die and it must be awesome, no alternative would be broadly palatable.

 

 

Also I don't think changing the intent of a shard is a easy as you make it out to be. I'm sure Ati would have loved to pivot Ruin away from destruction, the best he could do after thousands of years was shift Ruin from "Everything must be destroyed now" to "Everything must be destroyed...eventually" and even then Ruin was not a kind or gentle embodiment of entropy and got 99.9% of the way through chewing up Scadrial.

 

   

I failed to see how she would be compromising on anything she hasn’t already compromised on. But I do agree it’s unlikely to be successful even if she were to try.

14 hours ago, Ripheus23 said:

I don't think Jasnah accepting that in the cosmere, her atheism is seriously flawed, would be "burning down her character." She needs to grow, she even knows that she has this need after what happened with Thaylenah. We'd also be talking about a scene near the end of the entire latter half of the planned Archive.

I also don't see that it would have to be a "hug it out" moment. In The Neverending Story 2, Bastian wishes that Xayide had a heart. Does she gain a heart and apologize and so on and everyone dances off to Care-a-lot? No, she sheds a single tear and it kills her and her whole army of Nothingness-monsters.

But I myself wouldn't find it unpalatable if Retribution did Redeem himself. When I was a Christian, I was a universalist even about demons, even about Satan. As a non-Christian, I see no one as so evil, not even world-torturing monsters, that they might not make amends if given the appropriate chances. (Nor did I imply that this would be easy for Taravangian, here, at any rate: by saying that he might have to absorb a fragment of Devotion to reach this state, I also said that he would have to go through the trouble of either absorbing part of Dominion along with Devotion, in the Dor, or somehow separating a Devotion-fragment from the Dor while perhaps desiring instead to absorb only a Dominion-fragment.)

EDIT: I mean, if you want Retribution to go out with a bang, consider this possibility: Navani and Jasnah, the arch-believer and the arch-unbeliever, mother and daughter, confront Taravangian and somehow maneuver him into absorbing part of Devotion. But unlike how Warlight resulted from Voidlight and Stormlight, when Gracelight (or whatever we'd call it) fuses with Voidlight/Warlight, it has explosive consequences that shred a huge chunk of Retribution's substance, killing him or weakening him for a coup de grace(!). Would that be a nifty outcome?

Hasn’t she already admitted that she believes that there are gods (she just doesn’t believe in God) that seems to me that she has already compromised on her atheism. I’m not sure we can even call her that anymore.

I know that we have a way to translate stuff into women’s script, but I was wondering about glifs? 

He probably would be able to put another plan in place for another generation or so

22 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

Worst one? 

Trying to let my siblings use characters and abilities that very much come after the True Desolation in the Stonewalkers adventure. 

Then postponing the thing until I no longer has time to play had to fly out back to college after Christmas break. Whoops.

How about best

Gives some of best or worst moments you had playing the Stormlight trpg

19 hours ago, ParaTulip said:

You could be a Kandra or something else really durable instead. Shapeshifting in general feels like a huge upgrade for a long term guide to society, since trying to guide or manage society is probably easier when you can try for a mulligan by putting on a new face.

"Sorry this agricultural system collapsed and killed a bunch of people. I know it was my idea, so I am going to think about it in a cave on my own for a few years and try being someone else next time." See, totally more reasonable than trying to be one person for thousands of years.

True but kondra can still be killed. It’s difficult but not impossible. It’s much more difficult to kill someone unlike the Lord ruler and considering an impression God is after you it makes sense to make yourself as invincible as possible.

On 1/18/2026 at 1:10 PM, Qianweilian said:

Is as stated in title. You find yourself as Rashek immediately before he draws from the Well of Ascension. Here's a rundown of the situation:

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• You've just murdered Alendi, someone who, according to the entire world except for Kwaan, is the Hero of Ages.
• You are a Full Feruchemist alone in the Terris Mountains with your companions.
• The Deepness, Preservation's mists designed to snap Allomancers, has been encouraged by Ruin and now blankets the land, causing famine and death.
• Ruin is trapped, and the Well of Ascension is full.
• The Terris prophecies have been corrupted and changed by Ruin
• Khlennium, the nation Alendi ruled 5 seconds ago controls much of the world.
• Autonomy already has permission to invest Scadrial and may be a threat
• Leras's mind is near dead and he lies pretty much incapacitated.
• Scadrial is at a point of near to early industrialization.

What would you do in his situation?

Would you do the following like Rashek:

• Create the world of ash?
• Suppress technology?
• Conquer the world?
• Create the kanda?
• Make yourself mistborn?
• Biologically separate nobles and skaa?

or would you do something else? What would you do after taking the power?

Ideally, you'd shoot to protect against Autonomy, defeat the Deepness, and fulfill the Terris prophecies (bonus points).

It also be good if you kept your sanity/moral compass.

1. I probably would’ve also suppressed technology. I will need to ensure that my rain is stable for at least the next thousand years so I can once again enter the well of ascension and save the world. I definitely would’ve made myself a mistborn That was the only way I could survive for 1000. I would not have separated the Sak and the nobility. I’m unsure what I would’ve done about the ferochemiest but I probably would not have turned them into mistwraphs . I could keep going, but overall, I would’ve still gone with the basics outline of his plan create a stable system that will last for 1000 years I would’ve however I’ve tried to cope about it in more gentle unless psychopathic way. 

On 1/19/2026 at 4:37 PM, Trusk'our said:

We've seen the Men of Gold and Red now, and I've been thinking on what they may be.

I hypothesize that they are the Cognitive Shadows of Autonomy's best agents corrupted with her Investiture and brought back to do her dirty work.

I'm thinking this because Mr. Suit was told would be allowed to "serve in another realm" right before being blown up. Would be pretty anticlimactic if he was just gone after that exchange and the creature was just clinically insane.

The "Faceless Immortals" Suit mentions are in Autonomy's employ may simply be Men of Gold and Red stapled into bodies much like Fused, which would fit with this theme. Those that traveled via Perpendicularity may have the luxury of having their own bodies, or simply do so because they don't need to disguise themselves as regular people.

It would also fit Bavadin's habit of trying to take over and utilize other Shards' magic systems if many of these servants (like Miles Dagouter) were made into ghosts, given new bodies, then unleashed to cause havoc as she willed. They might even have an additional, generic power that they share, since we have this WoB:

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KandraAllomancer

Are the men of gold and red from any Shardworld we've seen so far? Do they use any magic system we currently know?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes. Maybe not only, but yes.

Their red eyes could be from her corrupting their Spiritwebs to make them Shadows despite them having non-Autonomy aligned Investiture (or simply it's more forceful, changing their own natures a bit, maybe to make them more ruthless soldiers).

 

As an aside, perhaps the reason Bavadin can't easily reel them in after setting them loose is because Autonomy inherently struggles with dominating people like Ruin would with his constructs. She did control a dying agent to speak to Wax, but it would be very different than someone actively fighting her control. And it would just be a fun and fitting Shardic limitation, in my opinion.

But this is the best theory so far for what the men of red and gold are I’m convinced

Preservation vs Ruin and honor vs odium 
 

Harmony and retribution 

vyre and iron eyes

kal and kel

Ghost bloods and the knights radiant 

are Roshar and Scadrial experiencing some kind of convergent evolution ? What could this mean for the future ?

1 hour ago, Immortal Platypus said:

Yes. My point is that a) I wouldn't call what happened to Kal "dying", meaning I don't think he died (a major part of your point), b) I don't think heralds are divine, meaning that I don't interpret him becoming a Herald as a major indicator of divinity, c) I have refuted your claim time and time again, but you simplify my argument down to the leading statement of "I disagree". I clearly have more substance than that, given the length of my posts and the amount of arguments found inside.

it does matter. I don't think he is divine, even within the realm of the story. That is the disagreement. You can't just say "he's divine in the story" and use that to debunk my whole argument because we disagree about that. I don't think he's divine in the story, I interpret what happens in the story and what it means differently than you. 

Also, yet another ad hominem attack that, the way it is phrased, contributes nothing to the conversation while also insulting me again.

as a preface to my response, I'm not entirely sure what you're responding to with this sentence, nor am I certain what exactly you're trying to say with it. with that said, I will respond to it in the way that makes the most sense to me, and if I misinterpreted your meaning, I apologize. 

I have come up with counterarguments, you have dismissed them by straw manning them, saying that all I'm saying is "I disagree" and not backing them up. you haven't responded to my point about Kal becoming a cognitive shadow, which is different from truly dying, nor have you had any response to my point about heralds not being divine except to say that it doesn't matter what I think and then saying "they are" and implying that there's no way they could not be. I'm not sure how much more you want from me.

You're going to have to be more specific on what you're responding to, because this could respond to my entire post from your POV. It's also helpful to just relist what you've said instead of making me guess what you're talking about. I don't know what thing of yours you're talking about, nor do I know where in the large amount of things you've said I could find it. Please be more specific. I do my best to make it easy to track what I'm responding to (hence the multiple quote boxes), and I would appreciate it if you would extend me the same courtesy. 

I have to assume you're talking about the following post when you say you provide many reasons, and I both disagree with you saying you provide many reasons and I disagree with the conclusion you draw from it. Also, I have read what you said, several times. If you cite exactly what you're talking about, that would help me. Maybe I missed something the first time around, but I won't know unless I know what specifically you're talking about. Anyway, this is the post I assume you were talking about, below it you'll find my response.

first off, I already responded to this whole thing in my previous post, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say "read what I said" unless you didn't read my post. To make it even more clear, I will change the text in the quote boxes to be highlighted different colors so you can see what argument maps to which of your statements. I will also add new arguments, also color coded for you.

I disagree, I think that you have said that those things happened, but a) define them differently from me, and b) haven't responded to my criticisms about those points.

I didn't say it outright, but obviously I disagree with this. The reason I disagree with this conclusion is because I disagree with your supporting evidence, and those disagreements are outlined in the other parts of my response.

*if you would like, I can also quote that statement next time I post.

alright. my prior response still stands, so I'll quote that in case you'd like to reread it.

1. I don’t know what to tell you, but his body stopped functioning so I don’t know. What do you call that other than death. If your heart stops speeding and your brain use the function what can that be but death. Certainly everyone thinks he’s dead so you can call it whatever you like, but it doesn’t change what it is.

2. Again You again can interpret it however you want but within the story it’s clear that people will interpret it as divinity.

3. Again, no one cares about your definition.Within the story, these events have happened according to their definitions. All that matters disagree all you like it won’t change the facts

You disagree with my supporting evidence, but you don’t refuse it that’s why I’m frustrated and that’s why I called your argument, stubborn.

Imagine if you said prophecy important part of Mormonism because its founder Joseph Smith was a prophet. And I said I disagree that Joseph Smith was a pro profit so therefore prophecy cannot be part of Mormonism. That is what your argument is like. 

13 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said:

we disagree on that point. you can't use contested points as the basis for your argument and then say that my argument is invalid because of x "fact" that I don't think is interpreted correctly. That's bad faith arguing. 

Again, he didn't die, he became a cognitive shadow. If he went to the Beyond and then came back, that would be resurrection. Not becoming a Herald.

Again, it depends on your religion, and I don't agree with Heralds being divine. Also, your argument that he's become a god requires, by your own statement, either him becoming an actual god (which we both agree didn't happen), or him being worshiped as one, which also hasn't happened, and we have no proof it will. 

also, if you don't mind, I'd ask you to avoid editing past posts to add in arguments, it makes it much harder for me to respond to them because I might not see them.

I disagree, and that's speculation which isn't fair grounds for an argument. I could speculate and say he's going to be killed by a Fused in book six which means he would be dead, making him not analogous to God - an unfair argument that relies on information we don't know. I think there's a strong possibility that instead of worship, he will be called a blasphemer, and even if he's not, I expect he will try to avoid being worshiped (as that fits with his character).

apology accepted. 

stubborn is absolutely correct, but is an ad hominem and completely unnecessary for this discussion. It was also directed at me, not my arguments. however, saying "you're just wrong" without providing a reason why, like you have, is not a correct discrimination of arguments, it is an unfair dismissal. 

which three, I'm confused. did you mean 2 as in Jesus and Kal?

I do agree that there are similarities between Jesus and Kaladin, but again, not enough to say that Kal is modeled after Jesus, especially when considering their vastly different personalities, reasons for their actions, and the author's statement on the matter..

1. You keep saying we disagree you actually show me where my argument is wrong. I know we disagree obviously, can you or can you not refute my claim?

 

1.5 Again what you consider to be divine DOES NOT MATER . With the story he is. Making divine a theme for him. Are you capable of see the difference a story and reality?

2.There not contest because that would mean you could come up with a counter argument not simply say you disagree 

3.I provide many reasons for why you were wrong read what I said.

4. Christ, Kel and Kal. Those are the 3 I am taking about . 

On 12/27/2025 at 10:31 PM, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Honestly, since I believe one of the main characters for Stormlight era 2 is one of the heralds, I really hope it’s Taln, and if not, we get to see Taln in flashbacks. 

I believe Taln and ash have been confirmed as main characters

On 12/27/2025 at 7:36 PM, Frustration said:

Okay I've thought a lot about this one. I remember after RoW that a lot of people had some negative opinions about it, but I don't think I've ever seen as much backlash for a Brandon Sanderson book as this one.

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Taln

The treatment of Honor and the Shards of Adonalsium generally. Very nice descriptions of their powers, also Perpendicularities

Dalinar's use of the Sunmakers gambit was incredible, a move of such depth I don't think any of us saw it coming. It was beautiful.

Taln

More of the Thunderclasts and the Unmade

El

Moash actually being something of a threat

Taln

The mysteries of both Mishram and Ishar

This is the first book where I actually don't have any complaints about Shallan.

Dawnshard lore

Did I mention Taln?

Backstory worldbuilding for Roshar, Wind, Heralds

This was perhaps the largest leap forward this series has taken since WoR. Epic in scale and finally it feels like things are starting to move after OB, lore is coming every bit as fast as it did in RoW, and characters are finally reaching what we've been building towards since 2010. So why do so many people have problems with it?

 

What I did not like:

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Not getting to see the Taln fight

The whole Rlain/Renarin thing, like I know hormones are a thing and all, but you're in a life and death race for Mishram, it's not that hard to set your feelings to the side and focus on what needs done because it needs done for a time.

The Contest of Champions. We built up for four entire books towards this objective and it's just such a letdown. Odium just straight up freezing Gavilnor in place was just rubbing salt in the wound. We were promised an epic fight and we didn't even get a satisfactory one. At least Gavilnor was 20 instead of 5 so it wasn't as dumb as it could have been but it still sucks.

Kaladin and Szeth was such an awesome plot line but it felt so disconnected from the main plot that it felt off. Brandon should have leaned more into the: Find Ishar to help Dalinar angle.

The complete lack of stakes. Dalinar dies, and Adolin loses his leg, but other than that... there's not a lot. Odium got handed a massive victory and the heros walk away almost unscathed. Alethkar and Azimir in Coalition hands. It was rather disappointing.

The worst problems of all however were the continuity errors.

In the Sunlit man Nomad thinks about how the spren in his armor come from both his first set of ideals. However in WaT he doesn't swear the fourth ideal for Windrunners. I

It's established multiple times in the books that you can lock oathgates, however in WaT the coalition has access to an Oathgate that enemy forces will push through and they don't lock it. Now it's possible that the corruption could be the cause of this but that should have been mentioned in the book.

The largest one of them all however, and the one that honestly bothers me the most is that Dalinar released Odium from their agreement. Retribution does not have to give the coalition anything, nor does he have to honor their boundaries. He can simply claim their lands as his own, because the former agreement doesn't hold anymore. So why would he give them their own lands and territory? Why not just take everything like he wanted? I could understand if he just left Urithiru because the protections would prevent him from invading, but Azimir and Narak should be covered and taken.

As you can see the dislikes form a rather long list. Now why is this? Brandon is clearly capable of writing excellent novels, so what's happening?

Well I think the answer actually goes back to RoW, and all the books that come after it.

RoW is the first book of Brandon's where I began to notice some weaknesses, Navani felt off, the one liners didn't land right, the foreshadowing didn't work just right. Nothing was terrible don't get me wrong, but it just felt slightly off, a 60% after consistent and reliable 90s.

Going into TLM things didn't change Marasi suffered from the same problems as Navani, a few plot holes began to appear and just in general felt off. Not terrible, but off.

Then came the secret projects and everything mostly went back to the old Brandon, except for the last one. The Sunlit Man, which once again suffered from the same offness.

Then came Wind and Truth, which more than any of the others suffered greatly from this problem. More strange contrivances in the plot than ever before, more problems, every single character felt at least slightly off, except for once Shallan. The language and word choice were just out there in ways they never had been before, even for Brandon's writing.

 

The answer to all of this I believe is simple: editing time. Brandon has been saying for a while that his books are getting forced out as fast as he can write them. Part of that means that some things don't get quite the polish that they probably should. I think this is where the problems started, and why for the most part they don't appear in the Secret novels as they were published by Brandon on his own time, with the exception of The Sunlit Man, which had to such to meet the deadline at the end of 2023 

It's been noted how far out the publication date for Ghostbloods is: 2028, part of the reason being that Brandon wanted the entire series in hand to revise together before publication.

Here's hoping that the problems will disappear with this plan, and that everything works together again.

that’s part of it. I also think that he was trying new things in WAT : sometimes when you try new things, you create something beautiful sometimes you create something inferior that’s just how it is. For me it was mainly Kal storyline, and Renarien that didn’t work both were him trying new things that just didn’t work. Take or revise both those storylines and I think the story is mostly fine.  I agree more at any time and more early readers so we can engage their reaction.

1 minute ago, Immortal Platypus said:

Kaladin doesn't have resurrection or divinity. one is an event.

I have already demonstrated that he has both he died and was reborn as a Harold. Harolds are divine at least according to the religions of Roshar. Making divinity a theme for him.

3 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said:

none of whom know he is a Herald, so none of whom worship him. also, they would be more likely to call Kal a blasphemer for claiming to replace Jezrien if they really worship them that much.

fool, stubborn can be perceived as an insult, and it's technically not quite an insult, but repeatedly saying "you're just wrong" feels pretty insulting to me.

the title of the thread is "Is Kaladin literally just Jesus?". I'm not arguing there are no similarities, I'm arguing that there are enough differences, and critical ones at that, that it's not an accurate comparison. 

is it a coincidence? You're the one that said that you can have unintentional inspirations. Yumi also fills the hero trope. Perhaps the similarities exist for the same reason they exist with kaladin, as they fill the same trope.

1. Not yet but since he is coming back it will happen 

2. If fool is an insult then I apologize stoborn and wrong a correct discrimination of your arguments. So I refused to apologize for that. 
 

3. Fair point I agree that the author  has exaggerated the point but the point exists there is a connection a pattern between the 3. 
 

4. We have been over this She has no disciples and no divinity she only has the resurrection as the say one is an event 2 is coincidence 3 is a pattern. 

On 12/23/2025 at 5:21 PM, Immortal Platypus said:

name three characters who perceive him as a god. 

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything we're currently discussing, unless it's just your next paragraph.

he might, but I don't think it's safe to assume that. I think the burden of proof would be to show that he rejects objective divinity, not that he accepts it.

is this how all arguments with you go? with you insulting your opponent until they yield? If you want to talk about not accepting evidence, you won't accept that Brandon said that Kaladin wasn't inspired by Jesus. In addition, my position is further anchored by their incredibly different personalities, and generally different deeds. You can cherry-pick examples as easily as I can, but Kal's overall arc and actions indicated a distinct difference from Jesus. Are there some similarities? sure. are they enough to say that he is based on Jesus, especially contrarily to the author's statement on the matter? absolutely not.

90 percent of Roshar worship the heralds as gods so literal pick any one of them. 
 

Name a single insult I gave you?

He said he was not intentionally inspired by Jesus, but he himself admits that Jesus has so infuse or notion of hero that he is not surprised people make the connection. You can have unintentional inspirations. The Lord of the rings itself was not intentionally a Catholic book at least not on the first draft. And yet even at that stage, it was a significant inspiration.

I admit that it’s not a one-to-one comparison and they’re definitely differences, but there are enough similarities that it’s not a coincidence like it would be for someone like yumi

2 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said:

I disagree. Even if he becomes something that cultures revere as a god, that doesn't make him a god. You and I would both agree that God is the only true God, not any of the Greek or Norse or Hindu gods, even though cultures do revere them as gods. 

And maybe instead of saying "you're just wrong" you could understand that we interpret things differently, and that art (including writing) is in the eye of the beholder. themes are only themes if they're noticed and interpreted as such. 

You think that, and I don't. Simple as that. I think it's reasonable to assume that in his dozens of drafts, he made the intentional decision to use the word he used, for a specific reason.

I want you to accept that we can see things differently, and both be right. I have also put out evidence and counter-examples, and you deny those. Both of us can be right.

1. Using the Christian definition of God, I would say no, but using the definition of God used by the people in the world, I would say yes he is a god. And even if he was not he is perceived as a god, thus divinity is a theme of his character, whereas divinity is not a theme of the character yumi how many more times do I have to say this?

2. As a sidenote It is full to speculate what is in a man’s heart nonetheless for the purpose of argument, I will play the fool. As evident in his interviews. Sanderson is a progressive as such we can’t even be certain he accepts the divinity of Christ (using the Christian or Mormon standard)  (many progresses do not even if they call themselves Christian or Mormon) 

3. To continue this rather foolish sidenote. When discussing morality Brandon Sanderson seems to reflect postmodern ideas I won’t necessarily call him a postmodernist, but if he was, then he may not believe that there is anything to divinity other than perception. He may reject the idea of objective divinity outside of perception entirely. As I said, he hasn’t said anything so I don’t know this is just speculation.

4. I accept that we see things differently, but I will not accept is that our views are equally valid. Your view is based on being a stubborn fool who won’t accept evidence. Where’s my view is based on patterns in the text.

I have addressed all your counter examples and you just repeat them.