Broseph

Ok, so I'm trying to wrap my head around how fabrials, spesifically conjoiners work.

To look at spanreeds, I understand that each twist or notch ,probably  puts it in contact with a different metal, makes sense, but I'm not sure what metals those would be.

Now at first I figured it was Peter with a gravitation spren, but since most conjoiners are Ruby's with flame spren I assume this is not the case, so what metals cuase a conjoiner to flash, move and recive?

My second question is how kaladin "glove that flies" , I get that aluminum,can prevent a plane or vector from being transmitted,  but I'm not sure how that allows for translating one force vector into another, specifically "down" into wherever kaladin points"

Thirdly painrials what are they, I thought it was a tazer, but apparently it supresses pain and can have it polarity changed by steel and iron rather than zinc or brass, so can someone explain that?

Also I'm a second year physics student so dont hold back if the answer needs to get technical 

My best guess? His arrivals on Sel, Roshar and Scadrial were during a point in time when the active shards were in some way indisposed, like waiting for someone to go on holiday before breaking into their house

So I was listing to the Overlady reads and they mention a box the Set used to communicate, assuming it was some kind of radio

But then I thought, a metal box that transmits voices? We've seen that before, specifically on Roshar, used by the ghostbloods to communicate with Shallan

I checked it out (end of chapter 16 and beginning of chapter 17) and sure eanough a mid sized cube that produces voices!

I'm not sure what to do with this information nesiseserly but it implies to me some connection between the set and the ghostbloods and perhaps the source of there knowledge of hemalurgy, given Thaidakars nature XD

That's basically it, I leave it to you arcanists to make sense of this information and any hints it might bring or tell me its just a radio

Either way, please let me know if I'm onto something or not.

This might have been asked elsewhere but is there a way to undo sja-asnat corruption/let the oathgate transport people to kholinar again?

Can the Lightweaver who created an illusion of shadesmar in the elsecaller quarters please dispel it three of them have already gotten lost looking for a door that exists in another realm.

OMG this is amazing

On 20/03/2016 at 6:44 PM, Rasarr said:

- Threnody is named in memorial of something, likely of Cosmeric importance

The shard of Ambition was mortally wounded there

19 hours ago, Tador said:

dude listen to RShara, stormlight and breaths are "easy" to use to power other magic, not the other way around. 

To use allomancy to fuel surgebinding you'd have to: 

a ) be a surgebinder 

b ) be/have access to an allomancer 

c ) co-opt the investiture from harmony when the allomancer tries to allomance 

This is difficult 

Also surgebinding is difficult to use off of Roshar, you have to be able to get the spren off world and then co-opt some-one elses investiture 

It is easier to be an allomancer and find/buy some metal dust

damnation, didn't think about the spren, kinda voids my whole argument 

Oh well guess I was wrong

2 minutes ago, RShara said:

And also, please see Weltall's post about double posting.

Sorry, new to forums could you sen a link?

1 minute ago, Tador said:

Stormlight is just raw investiture, you could in theory use it to power whatever you want. It's probably the easiest thing to use as a substitute, not using allomancy, which is easily the most practical magic to use cosmere wide without bringing a bunch of invested stuff around with you, you are also assuming that the surgebinder is at least the 3rd/4th oath, otherwise they don't get the shardblade/plate

Stormlight is raw investiture and there for can be fueled by any of the "More advanced " forms

2 minutes ago, RShara said:

How are you separating the soul from the body?

Thats literally what a shardblade does, its why people eyes burn when u kil them with it

1 minute ago, Tador said:

um I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, at all. Wax isn't a surgebinder, and allomancy probably could be fueled by stormlight, it would just take a lot of working out, and in the end would just be easier to carry around a few small vials of metal 

What I mean is that what makes surgebinding so god is that you can use it anywhere gain a one shot kill partial invulnerability and a  one shot kill

Also metal n mistborn acts as a filter that lets investiture in from the spiritual realm to create an a effect, that effect wouldn't happen if it was raw investiture i.e stormlight but the investiture let in by allomancy could fuel surges

49 minutes ago, RShara said:

No, because we know a Fullborn can recover from beheadings

Beheading sure , having your soul seperated however is a slightly dififfrent story

5 minutes ago, Tador said:

B ) Wax could probably beat a shardbearer, hell all you need to be able to do is shoot an aluminium bullet through the eyepiece (yes I am aware that this is difficult at best, but scadrians have the technology, and at that point you don't even need any investiture, just aluminium alloy bullets), and Wax has all the aiming skills and the ability to play keep away until he lands a shot 

Fair enough but but in mind what im saying is that wax could be the shardbearer and fuel his surges through allomancy but allomancy could not be fueled by stormlight

2 minutes ago, Fatikis said:

Do you mean that stormlight is a powerful form of investiture? Otherwise what you are saying doesn't make a lot of sense.

What im trying to say is that any surgebinding is probably the most powerfull form of investiture as it can be used basicaly anywhere like allomancy and hemalurgy but has mutch larger 1 hit potential and the only pre-requisite is obeying a certain oath, rather than a genetic component 

1 minute ago, RShara said:

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Kaladin pulled back a hair too slowly, and the Blade sheared the pointed end off his spear. A reminder. His own flesh would put up less resistance than that. Severing his spine would kill him, and no amount of Stormlight would undo that.

Fair enough, but Then I doubt a fullborn could heal from that either meaning and it means that shardblades are even more deadly that I previously stated so that kind of proves my point

2 minutes ago, Fatikis said:

You are right it is. I derped for a second. Your main argument still seems to be that the easy accessibility of stormlight is why Radiant are the most powerful. Which doesn't make sense really. I'm sure with the right knowledge a Mistborn could use stormlight. 

but to do so they would need to become a radiant they don't absorb storm light  to do allomany the just open a pathway for investiture and surge could be powered by that but allomancy couldn't be powered stormlight

I'm not saying that Kaladin could go do it anywhere i'm saying that surgebinding is incredibly powerfull as a mistborn could use it or a returend or and elantrian 

1 minute ago, King Cole said:

The strongest in the Cosmere is, without a shadow of a doubt, are Fullborn. They could literally tear a Surgebinder to pieces without touching them. And thats not even considering super speed, healing, strength, seeing the future, etc.

What metal would they use? (dont know that mutch mistborn)

but im pretty sure plate and blade + surges could get them close enough to get a kill shot and they could use gold to recover cuase similar to surgebinder unless you have stormlight currently inside you / burning gold its a 1 hit K.O

Just now, RShara said:

But in your scenario, the surgebinder wasn't on Roshar, and didn't have unlimited amounts of stormlight.  And a surgebinder can heal a bolt to the head, but not a beheading.  So burn atium for 10 seconds, cut off the head, done.

Actually they can 

I think Ivory said that unless the entire brain is turned to paste in an instant then the can heal back from anything (This is cuase they still have an ideal self even moving coins around in the brain wouldn't be eanogh)

as to the lack of stormlight on scandrial probably yeah

1 minute ago, Fatikis said:

Stormlight is Honor's investiture. Do we know it is a perpendicularity? I could be wrong, but I thought Dalinar specifically opened the perpendicularity. I had assumed that Honor's perpendicularity was gone right now.

They say it travels with the high storm thats why Dalinar when bonded to the stromfather could summon it and why it has never been done before (Stormfather is the last remenants of honour meaning that he is the highest concentration of the shard honour)

And raw investiture comes out of all perpendicularity unless specifically shaped and if hour is dead I doubt it is.

1 minute ago, RShara said:

And if they have atium, the surgebinder is basically screwed.

I can see where you come from with most of your argument but this bit always annoys me whenever it comes up

The way I see it the surgebinder can outlast the atium user becuase it will run out before the storm light does and before anyone says that a shot to the head will kill them remember that shallan took a crossbow bolt through the centre of her face into her brain then pulled it out no questions asked.

Ok, So you've read the title and you know what this is about, feel free to criticise

So first thing is that stormlight is basically raw investiture and I have some reasons for this .

1.So from what we know stormlight is only called that because it comes from storms which we know is Honor's perpendicularity so investiture comes out and gets trapped in gems.

2.We have WoB that allomancy which basically uses metal as a filter to get a certain result (e.g white light through a red film to get red light) however WoB Lift says that uses calories or other biological material which the way I see it has no relation to investiture like metal and the way I see it means that it doesn't filter investiture  meaning that raw investiture is moved into lift's body which would make sence if its the only way she can access to stormlight (we have WoB on that to) then it would have to be the same kind of investiture as the other radiants.

3. Breaths are something given by Endowment and whilst made of investiture the best way I can visualise it is that it is block a certain sized block of ice whilst normal investiture is like water both made of the same stuff but still different. Which would make sence as breaths are given by endowment (Originally) whilst stormlight is only shaped and used after inside the surge-binders body. This would also make sence  as (WoB said) is on Roshar to get breaths easly but has not figured how to use stormlight to fuel awakening/ make breaths yet and WoB also says you can use breaths to fuel surgebinding if you can actually transfer it. Which fits the analogy people can metabolise ice into water and if they couldn't it it would still melt but freezing water can't be done 

Second is that shardblades (Considering they cut the soul) can kill almost anything and I will list them now.

1. Awakened object below IV

2. Awakeners/Returned (Breaths are basically fancy soul glue which a shard blade could cut)

2. Elentrians(sever connection with AonDor)

3 Shades

4 Shadows (The big things from Sixth of the dusk cuase a nick would still sever the soul)

5.Fused(They re-incarnate but still..)

Conclusion: Surgebinders can get there power anywhere investiture is preset and kill anything with there blade and if they have plate the chances of you taking them down in a 1 hit K.O or just fast enough stop you cutting you are slim to none (And as an aside one of them basically made the well of Ascension/The Pits of Hathsin/The Pool by just clapping their hands once ,so you know match that with a steel push)

Just now, Illythyrra Dark said:

My bad.  also, I am at my upvote limit for the time being as well

Nah, its fine 

just observing

So my intro became a "Is shallan bi" shipping war

kwl

1 minute ago, Voidus said:

You should be able to see a little orange 'up' arrow next to other peoples posts? If you click on those it will give that person 1 extra reputation, and your title changes at certain fixed levels.
Also, instead of double or triple posting you can edit your original post to add extra information by pressing Edit under one of your posts, double posting is usually against forum policy.

Thank you

20 hours ago, Archer said:

Welcome! If you had a plate painted to have a cosmere character's face on it, who would you choose? 

Sigzil
 

10 hours ago, Voidus said:

Welcome to the forums!
I'd definitely recommend giving Warbreaker a read after you finish Elantris.

Thanks I've ordered both but I live in south africa so deliverys take a while.
 

Also how does reputation and those title thing work?