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Apparently Harmony didn’t reshape the planet as much as I thought They did at the end of HoA.

3 hours ago, Frustration said:

Harmony said that Wax did something different as all his experiments only resulted in Atium. I'm guessing it has to do with intent, and wanting to Preserve something is really hard when you're making a bomb.

I agree; it all comes down to Intent. I believe that Wax had the Intent to create lerasium and atium, and that this Intent was expressed when he set up the experiment and executed it. Everyone else seems to be expressing the Intent to create atium only, or are not expressing the Intent to create lerasium “properly”.

Personally I think the best way to fix the imbalance is for Harmony to directly expend Their Ruinous Investiture in some way that separates it from Their Cognitive perception, and prevents it from easily returning to the Shard. During Era Two, I was expecting Them to use the excess Investiture to modify the spirit webs of the kandra and mistwraiths so that they would no longer depend on Hemalurgy to be sapient.

Now that we know that Hemalurgic expressions of the Metallic Arts are being suppressed in order to prevent a hemalurgist from performing Compounding, it seems that the most likely outcome would be a deliberate Splintering of the Ruin Shard by forcibly Investing someone with Hemalurgic spikes and then pulling the spikes out and tossing them into a blood bag inside of a Pulser bubble, so that the Investiture is sequestered. It would be pretty gross and brutal but we have WoBs that support this hypothesized way to get some of the Ruin Shard’s Investiture away from it.

15 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Each new book is more Cosmere aware than the last, and Brandon recently said that he is no longer concerned about hiding Cosmere references, and there are going to be more crossovers.

I cannot express how happy this makes me.

I was beyond pleased to see so many deliberate and obvious Cosmere references in this story. I feel like Brandon has finally reached the point where he simply isn’t concerned any longer about fans not being able to figure out what’s going on. He probably feels that it’s pretty straightforward for newer fans to find inexpensive copies of his books so that they can learn more about the references they encountered in TLM.

4 minutes ago, Karger said:

It will return to the relevant shards through the spiritual realm.  The exact mechanics of how it works are still a bit fuzzy but assuming it was her investiture it will return to autonomy just like how the atium will return to Ruin(although Ruin and Preservation are now one).

But that’s what I’m wondering about - was it really Autonomy’s Investiture? Or was it unkeyed Investiture? Or was it Preservation’s Investiture, harvested using the new Hemalurgy technique we saw in the book?

Just now, Karger said:

Its unclear what is going on with Kelseir but if you read the wider cosmere you will learn more about realmatic transition. 

I have read the wider cosmere but not recently. But I do remember several examples of Realmatic Transition that don’t require a perpendicularity.

The existence of the purified Dor in the story pretty strongly implies that it is much less difficult now to get ahold of large stores of Investiture, which is a new wrinkle that unlocks a lot of opportunities to visit planets that don’t have perpendicularities of their own.

4 minutes ago, Karger said:

This bridges towards wider cosmere spoilers but getting from the CR takes far more work then getting back.  You need a perpendicularity to manage it.  Otherwise every shardworld would be subject to invasion by every other.  Remember how in TLM they needed to create a perpendicularity?  If a simple device was enough they would have no need to bother getting all that investiture together.

We still don’t know a lot about how Realmatic Transition works. Individuals might need a lot less Investiture to enter the Physical Realm than small, or large, groups of people. We’ve already seen one character return to the Physical Realm without any blatant evidence in-text that it required a perpendicularity’s worth of Investiture to do so.

During the climax, when Marasi and the other Allomancers were draining the unkeyed(?) Investiture pool in the ballroom,  where did it go once it was used?

Will it return to the Shard of Preservation because it was expended by Allomancy? Will it go somewhere else? Will it return to that spot in the ballroom after a few years?

1 minute ago, Karger said:

How would they get back?  Its much easier to go to the CR then from it.

If the fabrial has enough Investiture left inside then it could be the way back. If it ran out of Investiture for the transition between realms, it might have the same Investiture siphon as the Allomantic grenades used by Marasi, and could therefore consume Kinetic Investiture from its user to recharge.

17 hours ago, Karger said:

Offworlders are here.  There is a perpendicularity.  Some perpendicularities are known to be unstable but if the newspaper we have is anything to go by this one is fine.

Not necessarily! One of the broadsheet stories includes a reference to a device that allows the user to enter the “ghostly realm”. That could be a Scadrian fabrial that allows the user to enter the Cognitive Realm without the use of a perpendicularity.

29 minutes ago, Karger said:

It seems likely that one is in the southern continent(ettmental source).  If one is in the northern continent then the broadsheets indicate that it is in the outside the basin.

It seems that way, but how do we know it’s a real perpendicularity? I wonder if harmonium’s upinstability is in part caused by Harmony’s attempts to resist the formation of Their perpendicularity, and in so doing, the Investiture that does coalesce at the site of the perpendicularity is subsequently very unstable as a result.

5 minutes ago, snowbreaker said:

IDK seems implied in chapter 70 that some skybreakers are on Scadrial - the 8 'allomancers' that fly away to sink the ships after checking the legality of it with the governor. So I'm team Roshar here. 

Good catch! That seems very significant.

Where is Harmony’s perpendicularity? I’m almost certain that the pool in Entrone’s ballroom was formed from unkeyed Investiture brought to Scadrial by Autonomy’s agents and that it had none of Harmony’s Investiture in it. So where is Their perpendicularity? Why have we never seen it directly in the texts?

Is it plausible that Harmony is deliberately trying to hold back the formation of Their perpendicularity because of Their mistaken belief that it will merely be used as a means of invading Scadrial via the Cognitive Realm? Or do They know that the Ruinous aspect of Theirself might be able to fully express itself via a perpendicularity and continue imbalancing the Vessel?

So many questions……..

Light grows so distant. The storm never stops. I am broken, and all around me have died. I weep for the end of all things. He has won. Oh, he has beaten us.

I have a feeling that this one will appear in the climax, and that it refers either to a failure of one of Odium’s spren to achieve its goals on Roshar, or to the breaking of the Voidspren bonds using the same mechanism used during the Recreance.

I am utterly shocked.

This feels like a major watershed moment for the publishing industry. Does Dragonsteel have ambitions to become an independent publishing house? Are we going to start seeing Dragonsteel sign other authors writing in the fantasy and sci-if genres and start publishing their works? Even after all of their expenses are subtracted and taxes are paid, this is a STAGGERING amount of money for an author to get for four books that aren’t even done yet!

Brandon, the mad lad….!

I will be interested to see how much of an effect this crossover will have on Mistborn book sales. Brandon and Peter are usually open to sharing numbers on book sales after a significant event, and they may share numbers once this crossover has come all the way out and had a chance to percolate.

“YOU CANNOT HAVE MY SACRIFICE!”

This was a tremendous moment for me, because it shows just now human the Radiant spren can really be, and how much of herself Maya has regained.

I’ve also theorized along these lines.

Has anyone come up with a theory for how the seon was removed from Sel and brought to Roshar? I was quite surprised when the seon was found inside the box and since it’s been a long time since I last read Elantris I didn’t realize what could have been in Mraize’s box.

Here's my guess at Kaladin's Fifth Ideal:

"I will accept that others can protect themselves."

2 hours ago, signspace13 said:

Is shallan on Scadrial? Possibly. But I don't think she is Rannette. Rannette is canonically lesbian, which we have seen none of from Shallan. That's enough to disprove the theory to me, also, I do believe a Seeker would be able to sense a lightweaving, so there is no way she has just been disguising herself this whole time.

The characters are too different.

There have been some WoBs to suggest that neither Shallan's sexual orientation, nor Adolin's, is as inflexible as it may be perceived in the text. But I also feel that this theory is a bit of a stretch.

I posted a prototype version of this theory elsewhere on the spoiler boards but I wanted to break it out separately:

Spoilers for Bands of Mourning:

The reason why Mraize and the Ghostbloods are trying so hard to get raw, unaffiliated Investiture off of Roshar is because Kelsier/Thakaidar wants to use it to create Feruchemical medallions and make mechanical Allomancy and Feruchemy widely available on Scadrial.

So far we know that creating medallions requires Investiture for the nicrosil portion of the medallion. We also know that Wax’s use of the Bands had a time limit because the Investiture inside the Bands was being depleted as quickly as the Allomantic/Feruchemical charges. Imagine how broken the Metallic Arts could be if a ready supply of Investiture was available to keep these devices going!

I suspect that Mraize wants to figure this out in particular is because Iyatil has access to Allomancy and/or Feruchemy and Mraize wants those abilities for himself.

I posted a theory about Ba-Ado-Mishram in the lore board:

My theory agrees in part with ShalladinForever but I have some thoughts about what happened Realmatically.

One of the big lore bombs from Rhythm of War came in the epigraphs in Part Four:

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“As one who has suffered for so many centuries … as one whom it broke … please find Mishram and release her. Not just for her own good. For the good of all spren.
For I believe that in confining her, we have caused a greater wound to Roshar than any ever realized.”

Excerpt From
Rhythm of War
Brandon Sanderson
https://books.apple.com/us/book/rhythm-of-war/id1489970175
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Here’s my theory:

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Odium allowed himself to be too strongly invested in the Rosharan star system and in Roshar itself. This resulted in Odium becoming Connected to everything on Roshar, but especially in the Spiritual Realm. After Odium and the Fused were sent away after Aharietiam, Honor was eventually shattered by Odium, altering the Spiritual Realm. These alterations produced cracks in the spiritwebs of the Rosharan spren that rose to accept and moderate Honor’s spiritual power and his Investiture; these cracks were filled by Odium’s Investiture, as provided by Ba-Ado-Mishram.

Since she was still present on Roshar and appears to have the greatest independent measure of Odium’s Investiture, she thought she could replace Odium and could drive a Desolation, and thus willingly put forth her Investiture to Connect herself thus. We have textual evidence that she thought she had enough Investiture under her perception to accomplish this goal.

When Ba-Ado-Mishram was imprisoned, the Investiture she provided to the Rosharan spren was torn away from them, just like with the singers. The Radiant spren were badly affected by this; it was a crack in their spiritweb that the Innate Investiture of their Radiant could not repair. When the Radiants grasped the enormity of the destruction of Ashyn and the realization that Honor’s loss would remove the restraints on Surgebinding, they tried to be Honorable and chose to dissolve their Nahel bonds with their spren. But because of the loss of Odium’ Investiture, the Radiant spren didn’t know that the Nahel bond could no longer be cleanly dissolved, and they all became deadeyes instead of returning to Shadesmar.

I believe that freeing Ba-Ado-Mishram will cause all the deadeyes to come back to life and return to full sapience. I also suspect that this is how Sja-anat is able to “enlighten” spren: she is  Connecting them to her own Investiture, but because she has less of it under her perception and perceives its use differently, the spren she touches are thus altered into something new.

We all assumed that Ba-Ado-Mishram was only collected to the singers and to the Voidspren that remained behind during the False Desolation. With all of the revelations about just how much of Odium’s Investiture has permeated Roshar and become part of the Cognitive and Spiritual aspects of that star system, I wonder just how significant the imprisonment of Ba-Ado-Mishram really is.

1 hour ago, Subvisual Haze said:

All nuance was sucked out of the character.  The book was trying to hard to make me despise him that it felt kind of forced.

I feel that this was deliberate. I believe that we are expected to perceive him this way. Brandon has shown way too much growth in his writing ability to do something this obvious without reason. I would be very curious about Brandon’s answer to someone asking a question about how Vyre was written.

With that said, STORM THAT EVIL, EVIL THING!