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I'd put money on this getting RAFO'd in a Q&A cuz it's too cool of a concept to be passed up later in cosmere novels. I suspect we'll see this eventually.

It's my understanding that TLR learned everything he did about hemalurgy while holding the power of Preservation. This is when he learned about kolos, inquisitors, and kandra. If I remember correctly, everything after that resulted in not knowing the correct metals to use for spikes or not getting the extremely specific bind points right. So I'd think the 'hemalurgic experiment' route is less plausible than the twin reabsorbed or just plain hemalurgy.

In HoA we know Ruin is looking for the atium and Elend manages to burn it all away. So...my question is, how did Ruin plan to 'harvest/gather' the atium? Did he want to burn it in a physical form? Or absorb it somehow? I don't see how this would work... The only answer I've been able to think of is how Vin takes Preservation's mists. She 'draws' upon them to access Preservation's power. Elend also accesses the metallic form of Preservation by eating Lerasium. So is that a form of attaining a shard's power? So basically, what was he thinking? That he'd get the metal and put the square block into the circle hole? Edit: clarified

So I've been rereading Hero of Ages and I got thinking... What would happen if we took an Inquisitor and drove a spike through his/her heart and stole what investiture it had to give? Could we steal the stolen? If so, could we compress an 12 or 11 spike Inquisitor's worth of powers into one spike? Maybe this is the property of the Cadmium, Bendalloy, Electrum, Chromium, or Nicrosil within Hemalurgy? /discuss

I like interpretive titles more than direct reference titles. Makes ya think more.

I think that it's name refers to the fact that the 'law'-- more specifically its enforcers-- become an alloy of rough lawmen and actual police.

Wayne didn't compound. He had to take weeks to recover because he only had the feruchimal end of gold. I'm assuming that our scenario of having gold compounded for medical purposes is more modern, and we'd have ability to breed gold twinborns or splice it into genes. (Here's another host of discussion topics...)

I'm in the Orem, Utah area and I've never done any in-person RP. I understand a lot of RP from the MAG happens in my area and I'd like to participate but I'm a little wary of meeting people from the Internet at their apartments (I hope you can understand that) so what are the best plans of action? I'd like to meet people at a book signing before anything RP related. Do we know of any signings happening in the area that are or are not posted on the Brandon Sanderson website?

Anyone meaning 'any feruchimist/gold ferring' or anyone meaning anyone? --Gemmel

Discussion ideas I've read/come up with through reading. 1. What could you steal from an animal that would be of value? I think there are some interesting possibilities here 2. Cool fan fiction idea: selling your life or part of your spiritweb upon your death or at X date in exchange for money or other value (perhaps pother investiture related goods or services?) 3. Could you use hemalurgy to save someone's life? I have no idea how, but interesting abstract concept think think about. So are you saying it would be more ethical to kill them? Thanks to everyone contributing! I particularly appreciate the input of Kurkistan and Obsever, so thanks guys. --Gemmel Edit:spelling and clarity.

Excellent! Do you know where said PDF can be found? I tried searching for it but found nothing. Thanks for the reply! --Gemmel

Is this a valid enough question/idea to start a thread in the Cosmere forums? --Gemmel

I'm fairly new to the forums and cosmere as well as Sanderson in general, so here are some questions (I apologize if this is the wrong place to post this, but I feel justified in doing so because this forum topic's topic is slightly shifting towards cosmere. This leads me to wonder what the objectives of the shards are. Is it the perpetual [insert verb relating to shard ie: preserve, ruin, endow] until there's nothing to [verb]? When will the shards be satisfied? Never? Perhaps when there is balance established? Ie: Harmony? (This probably sheds some light on my lack of knowledge of cosmere, the nature of the shards and their shattering as well as WoK) --Gemmel Edit: removed mistyped exclamation mark.

Don't tell me the answer, but where to find it? Ah, okay. So because he is ruin, it's 'good' for him to commit acts of Ruin? What I'm getting from your comment is that Ruin's standard of morality is different than ours, right? Also, thanks for putting up with all of my misunderstandings, I appreciate your patience --Gemmel

Do you know if there is an online publication of the storyline of the RPG or if I can buy just the story? I'm not much of a RP'er --That weird guy no one knows anything about, Gemmel. Edit: spelling

I've been retreading the Mistborn series and have seen references to Gemmel, Kelsier's trainer. That's pretty much all I know, anyone else know anything? I haven't been able to find anything on the forums or wiki other than he trained Kelsier and was apparently corrupted by Ruin. Ready. Set. Discuss.

Where can I learn more? Makes sense, but he is sentient and thus has capability of choice, does that not make his choice of merciless actions a basis for morality? I love this! This is my kind of thinking. +1 But again, by employing evil, does that not make Ruin evil? It will never be my intent to do so, so if I do, let me know. Just some ideas to discuss. Again, I apologize for any infringement upon proper forum posting or the rules of this absurd language we call English. --That weird guy no one knows anything about, Gemmel.

Thanks for the constructive reply! This is what I'm thinking: If Ruin isn't evil, Ati was evil. I'll discuss how this is a contradiction: Link to Coppermind article. 1. So, it says that (bolded above) that he became a merciless destroyer of worlds. Implying that there could be a merciless as well as a merciful version of Ruin. (Tell me if this becomes a Slippery Slope Fallacy) 2. If Ati was a kind and generous person before, what made him 'twisted and merciless'? Personally I think within the powers of chaos and destruction there is something inherently evil, even if it is necessary for change. I think that's what made Ati 'twist' into the malevolent destroyer we saw, rather than a generous destroyer. 3. Imagine a kid taking his Lego apart. He can take the apart peacefully or he could thrash them about mercilessly. But, I don't think that at the very principle of Ruin's power he could be merciful, I think that the only way we can see this is through Harmony. I think that Ruin itself, the power, is evil in its very nature. This is an interesting idea to entertain, I could see Sanderson using this in another religion within AoL. I think you mean Waxillium instead of Wayne, and this is addressed by Kurkistan. Just some ideas to discuss. Again, I apologize for any infringement upon proper forum posting or the rules of this absurd language we call English. --That weird guy no one knows anything about, Gemmel.

I'm unsure of where this kind of post belongs, so I'm putting it here, it seems to fit as a discussion of crossover between two worlds., On pages 637-38 (chapter 50) of my copy of The Well of Ascension (not sure what the official acronym is so I'll use WoA) Sazed proposes the religion of the Dadradah to Clubs as a religion of art. These are the qualities that Sazed gives to Clubs in his dialogue the religion: -"Spanned many countries and peoples." -". . . they believed that there was only one God, and that there was only one right way to worship." -"They thought art drew one closer to God." -"They were most interested in color and hue, and they were fond of writing poetry describing colors they saw in the world around them." I read Warbreaker (WB) and WoA a year ago and I'm just now retreading the Mistborn trilogy now and I noticed this as a possible connection to WB can anyone confirm or deny this? Perhaps this is one of those hidden references hidden by a simple differing of names? I apologize for my lack of knowledge on WB, I'll be reading it again soon. Just some ideas to discuss. Again, I apologize for any infringement upon proper forum posting or the rules of this absurd language we call English. --That weird guy no one knows anything about, Gemmel.

First, I'd like to apologize in advance for my shortcomings in knowledge as well as proper forum etiquette I'm fairly new to forums, as well as Sanderson's work. I read somewhere (if I recall correctly, the dust flap of a hardwood copy of one of the Mistborn novels) that Sanderson stated that hemalurgy isn't inherently evil. This is what I'd like to discuss. Throughout the Brandonothology I've read that hemalurgy splits a part of the (we'll call him the victim) victim's soul and leeches power from that soul fragment in the form of a hemalurgic investment. Now, realistically I don't know how I'd go about discussing a 'soul-halfling' so I'll discuss what is commonly portrayed in the Mistborn trilogy as 'messy'-- killing of victim A to endow victim B. How is this not evil? I think most people would agree that the taking of one's life is evil. However, I do see the point that hemalurgy is simply a tool, like a hammer: it can be used to construct or destroy. From a utilitarian standpoint, if we assume the cost of a law-enforcer is 10 hemalurgic spikes, if that law enforcer uses those powers endowed 'messily' to protect or save more than 10 lives, haven't we done the Good thing? Rather than Evil? Just some ideas to discuss. Again, I apologize for any infringement upon proper forum posting or the rules of this absurd language we call English. --That weird guy no one knows anything about, Gemmel.