Coral Swan

It only failed twice. Something about nickels?

Uh, I didn't see any harm in it, and I figured it would make me a low priority NK target. Endgame vote manipulation seems quite strong.

I guess if I wanted to give away that I'm not a Smoker, given that I thought Lion was Soothing me, then I could have done a nothing Riot. I don't think there's any world, village or Spiked, where that makes sense, but whatever.

Yeah, but not your own vote.

I'm actually curious, even in the world where I'm Spiked, how we get the current VC, unless Meerkat is a Smoker.

But why did my Riot fail? My vote clearly is gone, and Lion didn't Soothe it.

I mean, I don't really expect anything else. I am curious with what the deal on Meerkat is, however.

Because I was bluffing Smoker, and if my vote disappears every cycle then that kinda kills that.

Should probably check what Lion did as well, since I think Soothe+Riot cancel each other

I already said that above. Is Croc going to get filter-killed soon? I haven't seen them post for a while I feel.

I'm a village Rioter, but don't really expect anyone to believe me about the village part. I realized after D1 that I couldn't bluff Smoker and Riot, so I stopped Rioting. If it had gone through during the day it would have looked like no Soothe hit me, since the total votes on Beagle still would have been 1.

Day 1 I tried to send Hyena onto Hyena, and then Day 5 I tried to send Meerkat onto Beagle. Edit: And both times I was told my action failed.

I'm hoping that's a GM mistake, because it should be there. Edit: Nevermind, my Riot failed. I'm a Rioter, but was hoping I could keep up the bluff. I've used my ability twice and hit a Smoker both times.

*raises hands in surrender* Guess I goofed. Probably best to shoot me now. Hopefully Kanga or Croc is the last Spiked.

So you ignore everything I wrote to focus on a couple of phrases? Edit: To clarify, I made a case against Beagle, as well as explaining why I have the reads I do on other players. The "as a well-intentioned villager" was intended to show that my behavior is reasonable from both a village and a Spiked perspective, as opposed to just a Spiked perspective. Is there a reason you don't agree with my analysis of Beagle? Your post makes me lean toward you and Alb being on a team together, which I already had noted a couple of times. Still feel stronger abut Beagle, because they have some pretty strong links with the flipped Spiked, but relatively less strongly than before.

That was more in reference to Penguin, but yeah

I'm also a bit curious why everyone backed off Penguin compared to the end of D4. They almost got voted out, though some of that was probably due to Ostrich stuff. I'm starting to find it very unlikely that there is a village Seeker. Which would indicate that the Spiked could feasibly lack a Smoker. Well, Beagle and Alb are probably not on a team together. I still suspect Beagle more than Alb, so that's where my vote stays. And if Alb flips village I think Beagle should get shot in the night. Happy to be wrong though, since Zebra could shoot me in the night and no wasted discussion about me. I'll also echo the call for @Opal Lion to Soothe me to prove my role.

How does this stuff weigh against Beagle's repeated and insistent defense of Vulture? Yeah I was just noting it. I actually think you and Lion are both Village, probably. Lion Soothed that vote anyway, didn't they?

Okay, here's what I got from pages 21-40: Cham mentions connection between Vulture and Meerkat: So probably Cham and Meerkat aren't Spiked together. Vulture agrees that there are elims among the more active players: Given Vulture was Spiked, this does offer evidence that most/all of the active players are village. Beagle follows up on Tuatara: I'm possibly tunneling, but this looks like an elim trying to get a teammate from dying to the filter. Later this vote is retracted. Penguin wants to flip Cham: This post is mid-gambit thingy, and is weird. Just thought I'd flag it. Beagle doesn't vote for Cham: This is the main thing that makes me hesitate on Beagle. I feel like Spiked Beagle would have more incentive to want Cham dead here. Beagle defense of Vulture: And then we have this, more reason to think Beagle is Spiked. I'll end by noting that Lion and Cham both switch off of Vulture at the end of D3, and Beagle was voting for Heron. So yeah, I still feel pretty good about my Beagle vote. So, ignoring alignment, if you are willing to grant that I didn't participate as much early on (this is because I am new, was traveling, and starting a new semester btw), but wanted to step up and help my team, then my activity today should largely be neutral. Can you (or someone else) lay out a case for Beagle as a villager? Because so far I'm not seeing it. Edit: I do feel pretty good about Lion, Scorp, and Zebra. Would bet on those 3 being village. Scorp switched onto Vulture near the end of D3, which is a major point in their favor.

Okay, so pretend for a moment that you are village me at the start of this cycle, with my gameplay from the previous part of the game. You are concerned that the Spiked team wasn't just Vulture plus a load of inactives. What do you do?

To a point, yeah, that checks out. But don’t you think a well-intentioned villager should try and get all their thoughts on the table when they think they might die soon? Immediately reacting with “shoot Swan” is a bit discouraging when I’m just trying to help. Also, what’s the expected number for the Spiked this game? I’ve been sort of guessing 5, but I’m not completely sure how the roles we have/haven’t seen might impact what would be considered fair.

Noted. Trying to play the game is bad. Finding interesting posts is something that only experienced players and/or Spiked can do. I was motivated to step up a bit when Zebra suggested to kill me, because if I die there’s no chance to say any of it. And when I flip village then maybe some of what I say will get taken seriously. But literally all I did was reread and look for posts where the current flipped Spiked mention a living player or the other way around. I don’t have a problem voting Albatross, but I am a little nervous voting alongside you, at least at the moment. There are still another 40 pages of thread I want to read through.

Thanks, and sorry if I reacted strongly. I'm trying to avoid leaning too much on other people right now since if one of the Spiked has gotten trusted that could easily cause us to lose. I've reread through page 20 of the thread so far, and have some thoughts: Vulture mentions Kangaroo Not quite sure what to make of this, it might be a Spiked being hyper-aware of a teammate? Comment from Kanga about Albatross : If Albatross does turn out to be Spiked this could indicate that Kanga is a teammate Scorp leaves Vulture out of a reads list: Similar to the above, the Spiked probably are very aware of their team and strategically placing them on lists, so this makes me think Scorpion is village Post from Beagle about Tuatara and Vulture: Honestly this is really suspicious. Pre-emptively defending two out of the three known Spiked. Vulture lists people that should talk more, list of 4 contains 2 Spiked, a villager, and Croc: This post makes me think that Croc is village, since I doubt a Spiked would lump 3 teammates into the same group. Kanga agrees with Vulture about Flamingo: This is kind of minor but points to Kanga being a teammate with Vulture Post from Penguin containing Vulture in a small POE: Of the 5 players Penguin lists, 2 are put as village, so this makes Penguin seem village. Post from Alb avoids all known Spiked: Albatross discusses a bunch of people here and none of them are known Spiked. That seems hard to do by random chance. I know a lot of the juicy stuff this game hasn't happened by page 20, but just from this I think Beagle is much more suspicious than Penguin. And Kanga/Albatross are possible Spiked teammates.

Sure. But Alb hasn't been confirmed as Spiked, and you're already calling for my death. I'm getting the impression you don't think there's any room for honest disagreement with you, which isn't a very fun situation for me.

So I'm Spiked because I'm trying to figure the game out rather that just sitting back and letting you have all the fun?