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On 30/09/2017 at 1:49 PM, Catie said:

Hey guys, so I'm not sure if this is the kind of content you want to see, but I thought it would be fun! You see, I'm not smart enough to contribute to the amazing fan theories, so this is my contribution (; 

Anyways, so if you're not familiar with the Myer Briggs Type Indicator, it's basically a set of 16 personality types that everyone falls under. (take the test, it's fun) I decided I would try to assign these traits to the Stormlight characters as best I could. If you are familiar (or lowkey obsessed) with MBTI, I hope you can relate with this! 

Here goes:

Kaladin - ISFJ, The Defender. First off, I know the cover image for ISFJ is a smiling, kind woman and that is the exact opposite image that we associate with our boy Kal. But, to quote the article, "Though sensitive, Defenders have excellent analytical abilities; though reserved, they have well-developed people skills and robust social relationships; and though they are generally a conservative type, Defenders are often receptive to change and new ideas." That seems pretty accurate. To break down the different letters, the I stands for Introverted vs Extroverted. We can all agree that Kal is Introverted. S stands for Sensory or obServant vs intuitive. I think as a surgeon, Kal is pretty Sensory. F stands for Feeling vs Thinking, meaning he processes most of his information through emotion. I'd say Kal is a pretty hotheaded guy who doesn't really think before he acts. J means Judging over Perceiving. He is logical and judges situations without the bias of perception.

Shallan - ISFP, The Adventurer. I think this is a perfect match. At first I was tempted to say INTP, the Logician, but I think Shallan is more SF than NT. As an artist, she is very Sensory, and as Shallan, she is more of a Feeling person than a Thinking person. She uses the Thinking side of her personality a lot, but her emotions have so much control over her and so much say in her decision-making. As the article says, "Adventurers enjoy upsetting traditional expectations with experiments in beauty and behavior – chances are, they’ve expressed more than once the phrase 'Don’t box me in!'" Shallan most definitely hates being boxed in and trapped, due to her childhood experiences. Another spot-on quote says, "When faced with criticism, it can be a challenge for people with this type to step away from the moment long enough to not get caught up in the heat of the moment." Passionate insult battles, anyone?

Adolin - ESFJ, The Consul. I find it hilarious that Adolin and Kaladin are almost identical in personality type, with only the E/I switched. Adolin is the Consul, most definitely. The article says that "Discussing scientific theories or debating European politics isn’t likely to capture Consuls’ interest for too long. Consuls are more concerned with fashion and their appearance, their social status and the standings of other people." That rings a bell to me. We can see that Adolin is a Feeling character rather than a Thinking character. However, he is a Judging character, because he has the innate ability to see people without bias. (Amaram, Sadeas, Kaladin, his dad)

Renarin - ISTJ, The Logistician. Honestly, I don't really know Renarin's character too well, so this is a ballpark guess. I am positive that Renarin is Introverted, and I am not sure about the Sensory, but it seems right to me. He is very practical, so I can see him being Sensory. He is definitely a Thinking character, but we don't really know if he's Judging or Perceiving. For now, however, I think Judging is a good guess.

Dalinar - ENFJ, The Protagonist. Dalinar is a natural born leader and is amazing at handling people. These traits put him as the Protagonist. "Protagonists radiate authenticity, concern and altruism, unafraid to stand up and speak when they feel something needs to be said... Protagonists easily see people’s motivations and seemingly disconnected events, and are able to bring these ideas together and communicate them as a common goal with an eloquence that is nothing short of mesmerizing." Honestly, the accuracy of this is astounding and a bit creepy. I think Dalinar is the Protagonist poster child. Also, this little quote here, "The interest Protagonists have in others is genuine, almost to a fault – when they believe in someone, they can become too involved in the other person’s problems, and place too much trust in them." Does that sound like a certain Sadeas vs Dalinar situation to you? Bonus note - because parents tend to pass on portions of their personality traits to their kids, we can guess that Shshshsh, Dalinar's mystery wife, is IST-. We can guess that she's IST because Renarin got the I and the T from somewhere and both Adolin and Renarin have an S that didn't come from Dalinar. We don't really know the J/P, because it seems Dalinar passed the J to both Adolin and Renarin. She could be either.

Jasnah - ENTJ, The Commander. Jasnah is purely the Commander. The only thing that might be up for debate is the E vs the I, but I think she is more Extroverted than Introverted. She is definitely a Thinking and Judging type, because of her scholarly nature. I think she is iNtuitive over Sensory, but I think we might not know her well enough to discern that. For now, however, I'm sticking with ENTJ. The funny thing is, Shallan is the exact opposite of her, being ISFP, yet the way they interact with others is strikingly similar.

Navani - INTP, The Logician. The tagline for the Logician is "Innovative inventors with an unquenchable thirst for knowledge." To me, this describes Navani perfectly. She is the amazingly smart scientist, the adorable nerd and the creative inventor. Navani is an introverted type, but she is so strong around people that we only ever see that side of her around Dalinar. She is an NT, like Jasnah, but she processes information through Perception rather than Judging. This sounds surprising since she is a scientist, but she is a creative and an inventor rather than a scholar. Bonus note - with the info that we have about Jasnah and Navani, we can guess that Gavilar was an E--J. Knowing the little that we know about Gavilar, we can assume he is a Protagonist, like Dalinar.

Hoid as Wit - ENTP, the Debater. Hoid is honestly so hard to figure out. This is not my most confident guess, so if you have a better guess please let me know! (Keep in mind we're talking about Hoid as Wit) Wit is definitely Extroverted, moving through the crowds with ease and making fun of talking to people with confidence. "Debaters don’t [play devil's advocate] because they are trying to achieve some deeper purpose or strategic goal, but for the simple reason that it’s fun. No one loves the process of mental sparring more than Debaters, as it gives them a chance to exercise their effortlessly quick wit, broad accumulated knowledge base, and capacity for connecting disparate ideas to prove their points." This sounds like Wit to me. His iNtuitiveness allows him to create beautiful stories that apply to other people's specific situations, while his Perception allows him to poke fun at others with scary accuracy. Because he is a Thinking type, he is analytical and has a pretty good reign on his emotions.

 

Bonus!

Syl - ENFP, The Campaigner - Syl is ENFP all the way. She's got the childlike wonder and Perception and the iNtuitiveness that guides her decisions as honorspren in what Feels wrong and right. She is almost the opposite of Kaladin, yet their ideals are very similar. I believe this is what attracted her to Kaladin.

Pattern - INTP, The Logician. Pattern, our adorable, miniscule scholar! He is the same Personality type as Navani, INTP. We see his Perception in how he views the world, and his iNtuitiveness and Thought through how he learns and applies those worldviews. He is similar to Shallan, but she is an SF and he is an NT. She an artist in her core, but she loves scholarship, and that is what drew Pattern to her.

 

 

That's it for now! I hope it was understandable to those who have no clue what the MBTI types are :? I tried to do as many characters as I could, but if you want me to expand on this one let me know what characters to do! Also, if you would like to suggest a change in one I did, feel free-- I'd love to hear your opinions on this! Also, if you have any suggestions for Wit's personality that would be awesome (;

Let me know your personality type! I'm INFP, and I'd love to chat with y'all about it. Here's the website where I got all my info, and be sure to take the test! (It's free, fun, and it will tell you things about yourself that are creepily accurate)

I may do one for Mistborn! If you would like that, let me know.

That's all,

Catie

 

INTP and loving this.

Thude x Rlain is a ship I now support 

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11 hours ago, LiftIRL said:

In the end scene with the listeners Thude seemed really excited to hear Rlain is alive.

 

Such an intriguing line!

Maybe when he goes into mateform, he's attracted to other males, which makes other listners uncomfortable because "uhh... you're not going to make a baby that way bud!" Maybe after trying once he just decided somehow he was a weird case and shouldn't bother again. 

I wondered if it could be possible for him to be trans (ie, turning into female mateform instead of male), but there's really nothing else to suggest a) that Rlain has a femalen identitiy outside of mateform, and also b ) until recently he wouldn't have had access to the kind of bond that does large scale physiological changes to match identity.

I have ADHD and boy do I sometimes wish I could turn into a tuber and just roll my way out of a potentially awkward interaction 

I was so intrigued by a random Terriswoman showing up to give Venli weird gems with voidspren inside. Whaaaat?

I also disagree that she was there on the bidding of Sazed/Harmony. I think if anything Axindweth was a Ghostblood or otherwise there for her own (or at least not Harmony's) purposes.

31 minutes ago, Kacman said:

He would pretty clearly be an Edgedancer since Maya is a cultivation spren, and he’s reawakening her through listening and remembering her which is also in line with the Edgedancer oaths.

I don’t feel too bad since both Dalinar and Kaladin made it pretty clear he could be a Radiant if he wanted to, he’s just not willing to give up Maya for it. That shows it isn’t the most important thing to him even though it definitely stings some, and that dedication to her is probably what’s going to make him a Radiant eventually anyways.

Not giving up on people is a pretty Edgedancer thing. I think he's probably going to revive Maya and become an "Edgedancer", but he will be different in some important ways from the Edgedancers who bonded spren in the normal ways.

3 minutes ago, Nymeros said:

Pretty sure Leshwi has a penis.

We don't even know what the singers have down there but she IS in a malen body

Just now, HorneaterStew said:

I could see that happening, there's precedent for it in the Herdazians & Horneaters. 

Exactly someone mentioned in another thread that if somehow Leshwi is able to form a Radiant bond, her malen body would change to fit her femalen identity and they might even be able to have a hybrid child who could be mature (because of singer fast aging) by the back 5. I liked that idea.

That's a new one to me!

I used to ship Kaladin x Jasnah but that faded. Does Kaladin x Leshwi count as a weird ship? Because I like them as a possible pair.

There was also that WOB about how Kelsier would join the Ghostbloods and be in charge of them within a month (if he were to join a Rosharan secret society). I'm pretty convinced it's Kell and I'm HERE FOR IT.

11 minutes ago, Necessary Eagle said:

Sorry to sink your ship... but Leshwi is probably still in that malen body by the end of RoW. Since she's not going to be bodysnatching any more innocent Singers, she's stuck as a malen/male. Maybe she could have kids with a human woman, but not with Kal.

Hmm yeah it was not mentioned that she changed bodies. That would put an end to the kid part, but not necessarily the ship 

TIL I'm a singlet, so I can only comment from that perspective!

I was (and still am) very excited about Shallan as plural. It's very underrepresented in media other than the negative ones you all mentioned. I am ND and don't like media that portrays ND people as villainous due to the ND aspects, so I have stayed away from those narratives personally, which resulted in Shallan being the first plural character I came across. I feel like Shallan's journey shows how different personalities can support each other. I love how Adolin loves and accepts her. Overall she was very interesting to read, and hopefully will help me understand better if I become close to someone with alters.

I know Shallan and Veil and Radiant are very important to people who share a similar reality, so I had mixed feelings about Veil merging. I wonder if it happened partly because Veil was concerned that she might take over again against the wishes of the others - something like choosing to merge for the greater good.

I also hope that Shallan doesn't "heal" by becoming a singlet. It would be pretty disheartening if other NDs grow with what makes them different but Shallan is the exception by becoming NT? (Boo)

That said, I don't think she will. Post RoW, she might think she *should* merge all personalities, but I doubt that will happen. I think she's influenced by the thinking of her society on this - she doesn't really have any examples to draw from, right? I hope she's going to become that example, or maybe meet another plural character who can give her some support and guidance. It seems like the series is moving in that kind of direction with Kaladin's support groups.

On 18/11/2020 at 1:55 PM, IntentAwesome said:

But being willing to just hand your son over for execution?!

Doesn't he tell Hesina later, when she chews him out for it, that he wouldn't have done that? I thought in that conversation he revealed that he was just talking out of anger. 

100% Kal deserves better from both parents though.

Lift is CG defined!

Navani I'd place as NG.

Vyre, Nale, Taravangian LE.

Kalak is CN.

Mraize is NE.

On 01/08/2019 at 9:58 AM, Karger said:

Only by suicide.

God that is the saddest thing </3 brb gotta go hug my seon

24 minutes ago, Inky said:

I mean I'm not sure if the process being painful is a lie, but who knows.

Yeah I think Hrathen reflects on how painful it was even just to do his arm...

26 minutes ago, Inky said:

The answer will probably come in the Elantris sequels in like six years. 

;__;

22 minutes ago, Calderis said:

And the Elantris sequel also takes place in Fjordell. 

I am so jazzed about this. We hear so much about Fjordell in Elantris and never, ever go there. I want to know more about Wyrn and the skaze and whether or not you could date a Gyorn so many other things. 

I am also pretty sure the answer is no. Male and female Returned, Mistborn, Radiants, Elantrians, and so forth can all do the same things...

Still doesn't tell us anything about the role of women in Shu-dereth  though I don't know if anything does. Have searched for a WOB to no avail. 

Interested in theories though!

6 hours ago, sora_xo said:

It's a good question, actually, even I was thinking that Shu-Dereth is pretty patriarchal. 

Definitely patriarchal. Most cultures on Sel seem to be either strongly patriarchal, like the Arelons, Fjordell, and Rose Empire, or undefined (no idea how the Dulas/JinDo/Mai Pon view sex roles). Teos are less restrictive of their women but it's still the king who is the major figure - I mean, we don't even know Sarene's mom's name.

So would Fjordell women be included in the Great Chain by supporting their husbands/sons?

As for the Dahkor bone warping stuff, yeah having stronger bones might help one endure the process, but it's investiture and investiture is weeeeeird. Dunno if natural laws would really apply. Like, in Stormlight, we have shardblades/shardplate as a culturally male thing, much like heavy armour and big swords are here on earth. Yet because it's investiture and not really your inherent physical strength that allows you to use those things, characters like Jasnah and Shallan who aren't exactly heavy hitters can have blades and (presumably) plate.

Do we have any sex/gender divisions or differences in investiture? 

Brandon is very bad at remembering characters' eye colors.

Heck yeah son.

If I ever meet Brandon Sanderson, the question I would ask is not a question about plots, about characters, or even about the Cosmere.

I would ask him if he drives a Hyundai Elantris. 

Relistening to Elantris and seemingly every Derethi with any sort of title is a man. It has me thinking, could a woman gain rank in Shu-Dereth? Where would it stop? The Gyorns with their armour seem like a particularly masculine thing. IDK.

Also, I know the Derethi were modeled a bit on the Catholic church, but it seems like the monks are allowed to have sex/relationships? I remember Dilaf's dead wife being a big motivator for him. He WAS a spy at that point, but I don't see a character as fervent as Dilaf betraying his oaths like that, or at least not acknowledging it as a betrayal while telling the story to Hrathen. 

Speaking of Hrathen... I wonder if Gyorns are allowed to get it on. Asking for a friend... 

Straff Venture irritated the crap out of me. I mean, he was supposed to, but I found him much more unpleasant to read than the other cosmere villans.

Zane was pretty useless. He didn't really add much to the story.

No one has said Kelsier yet, yay

Here's one I haven't seen yet - Venli. I always felt kinda "meh" about her and skipped her interludes the second time through OB.

I like the general idea but she looks a bit young to be Jasnah imo.