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Wait I have to come up with a name?! Oh, dear, I'm terrible at naming things... I'm open to suggestions. Actually, I think we should all come up with a name as it belongs not only to me but to all who'd like to support and embrace it. I suggest the Similar Triangles Theory for the Stormlight Archive [Two triangles are Similar if the only difference is size (and possibly the need to turn or flip one around)]. Told you I'm terrible at naming stuff.

Fair points but right now I, personally, feel really good about the possibilities and the outcome and it makes me feel hopeful. I guess we'll see what happens.

Godspeed, @PhineasGage, Godspeed!

Oh man, I hadn't thought of any of those things in my rush to type this theory. Hopefully people will keep expanding on it and it gives me an incentive to reread as well, something I desperately was searching for! You were right in the PM, theorycrafting is both fun and fulfilling!

Yes all good points! Sidenote(again): reputation limit is slowly killing me.

I'm so glad that you guys like it. It was tuly an epiphany moment for me. I hadn't even thought that, nice catch.

Yeah, I can see what you mean. Sidenote: The reputation limit kills me as well, I want to give reputation to show many people here but I can't. But I think it's a very good rule.

Right?! That's why I feel so excited since this morning. This theory uplifted me and gave me somenting new to look forwars for.

@AilvaraThank you! That why I said it might be differrent enough that this may change. But regardless, more drama isn't necessarily bad if it's well written.

On my way to class this morning I was thinking how the Adolin/Shallan/Kaladin triangle might be mirroring the Gavilar/Navani/Dalinar one, and how that would cheapen both plots. But then it hit me. What if it's just different enough to work. What if instead of Adolin=Gavilar/Shallan=Navani/Kaladin=Dalinar we have Adolin=Evi/Shallan=Dalinar/Kaladin=Navani. Indulge me for a minute. Adolin like Evi is a genuinely good person but, in Ialai's word's about Evi, a bit vapid who try to help their partner the best they can (Evi consoling Dalinar and telling him that he doesn't have to be like a beast/ Adolin being, well, Adolin with Shallan). Shallan is the one pressured into the marriage by Jasnah and Navani, while Dalinar is pressured by friends and family, with the added bonus that they both have some kind of mental issue and they both idly fantasize about Kaladin and Navani respectively, but in the end they give in to the internal and external pressure. Regarding the connection between Kaladin and Navani I don't have much due to the lack of prespective from Navani, just that the odd looks she gave Dalinar vaguely fit with Kaladin and his actions, and the fact that Navani has said, in The Way of Kings, how much she hated how Evi seemed to fit Dalinar so perfectly, a sentiment that Kaladin has also expressed in regards to Adolin and Shallan. So what does this hold for the future? Well, I think that Shallan will continue to ridicule Kaladin as Dalinar attempted to freeze out Navani, giving the wrong message (That he hated her.) and that Kaladin will make the safe choice regarding his romantic life, whether it'll contain a partner or not. So what do you think? I know that it doesn't exactly fit, but that's what I find most promising about it, is just similar enough as to not copy the other plot and different enough that it suggest that the endings won't allign (Adolin/Evi dying). Too far-fetched or not far-fetched enough or by the Almighty @DimChatz you'll grasp at all the straws and nothing actually fit, you just make it seem like the do?

Ah, now I get it thank you! And, yeah, I definitely want to believe nothing is over as well, and our discussion here kind of supports that. In any case, I think I'll set up my self to be plesantly surprised if it's not over, meaning I'll propably try to convince my self that what we got is the resolution. This, or that nothing is concluded. My thoughts on the matter change pretty much hourly. Regardless, thank you for your response.

@Harbour could you perhaps explain further because I don't quite get your meaning here? Also, could you tell me when BS said that and at what event? I, unfortunately, haven't kept up too much on last week's events ad what is being said there.

Yeah, I tried going into Reddit yesterday and literally the first comment I saw in the Megathread was how a Shalladin shipper thought that the triangle was so wonderfully done and concluded in a satisfying manner or something like that.It, almost, gave me a migraine. I have never abandoned a threat quicker than I did yesterday. Suffice to say that I'm not planning to return to the subreddit anytime in the foreseeable future. Now I'm not saying that it can't be true but I just can't see how anyone can be satisfied with this no matter what "ship" they were rooting for. But I decided not to discuss because... well... I think we all know might know how the Reddit (in general) hivemind works, so instead of bombing my self to oblivion with downvotes no matter how respectful I would try to be, I was glad that back in Friday I came to discuss here. I continue to be astounded by the level of thoughtfulness and maturity shown in this thread, even if things threatened to get dicey for a bit yesterday.

Yes this! Exactly this! Let the triangle end at its proper monment and with a proper and strong conclusion, for everyone. If the current status is the resolution then I have to say that I find it rushed and weak, and that's what makes me think that resolution has not yet been reached. Another reason of why I don't it to be over yet is that it has good growth potential for all involved, no matter where it goes, but the plotline has to be properly concluded for it to have any kind of meanigful impact.

Another scene that made my blood boil was the whole disguising Kaladin as a hideous person. Because that what he needs, to be made constantly the butt of her jokes, and he just sits stoically and takes it. Didn't they found respect for each other in the chasms in WoR? I get that the whole thing is supposed to be humorous but I really find not to be, maybe I'm missing something. I think Shallans character progression took a massive step in the wrong direction in OB.

I haven't watched Battlestar Galactica but read the spoiler and that sounds like something I definitely wouldn't watch or read. Anyway, from all the things that might happen I find this the least likely. And this is the part I'm most certain won't happen. I just can't see But, yeah, I believe we can find a lot of examples of love-triangles in entertainment, with satisfactory and unsatisfactory conclusions. I was really hoping we'd get a satisfactroy resolution for our own in this book, but we've an unsatisfactrory conclusion (in my opinion) or nothing has been resolved. I, honestly, don't know what I should hope for in this case.

Maybe that's the point? So the future twist can be that much more of a whopper? I know, that sound like a hopeful platitude. But in any case I sympathise.

Well, no, but the creator would want to elicit strong feelings in the reader and I guess my frustration is not necessarily negative. It's that short of feeling someone would get upon seeing a hanged painting hanging askew, more like a nagging pressure on the back of my head that'll be gone in a month or 2 weeks. Maybe I'm supposed to feel that way temporarily so the conclusion and subsequent catharsis to be that much more meanigful and satisfactory?

Alright, here's what started bothering me today. The triangle is a Chekhov's gun, which is a dramatic principle that states that every element in a story must be necessary, and irrelevant elements should be removed; elements should not appear to make "false promises" by never coming into play(according to Wikipedia). They took that gun on stage, toyed a bit with it and then shoved it backstage. Why were all those teases and hints, big and small, needed if it leads nowhere? I guess I'm just frustrated, and maybe a little bias and, well, vitriol is bleeding in my words but damnation that the most strong I've felt about being unsastisfied with a conclusion ( I guess thats a good thing from the creator's viewpoint? The book makes me feel strongly even if it heavily disagrees with me?), and the more I think about it the more I err on the side of all the stuff I see here and agree with are the result of my confirmation bias. Hope that doesn't read too much like a rant because it certainly feels like that.

I'm thinking the same my self. There are all these small and big hints, teases and the fact that the whole thing is uncharacteristically written for BS that makes me think we are not done with this, but then again I might be seeing things that are not there and I have a case of confirmation bias.

BTW, I sent you a PM, to clear a few things about your request. I hope that's allowed and it isn't viewd as too forward.

I'm not sure how to do that, and that comparison is a bit harsh as the relationship I'm referring to is much more awful by a factor of a 1000. Oh certainly, but so far I think everyone has been quite fair and understanding, and it' s a discussion after all, so everyone can chime in. Let's all solve all our issues together. I think the whole situation hasn't turned into a post-apocalyptic hellscape of childish behavior and name-calling, and I'm quite astounded by the maturity shown here, which is not the case for other forums I've been to when discussing such matters.

That's quite fair, actually. And I can see that happening and despite it not being something I want see I'll be fine with it, but at least I hope the whole depression and self depreciation aspect is solved.

Ok a bit late but I'd like to chime in. I, well, feel strongly about the subject and, therefore, I might express my self too harshly. Firstly, I find the whole Adolin-Shallan relationship to be the cheesiest and most shallow I've read in any BS novel, and indeed in any other novel but that's not saying much as I started reading heavily last year or so. Some have compared to a relationship in the Star Wars prequels and that might be a fair comparison, but it reminds of another relationship, which in my opinion is much worse and unfortunately much more comparable althouth it hasn't yet reached that level of cringe worthy and cheesy and I think never will. What I talking about, of course, is that awful ship in the tv show called Arrow, and those who have seen it will know what I'm talking about. Secondly, I'm a bit peeved that another arranged marriage seemed to magiacally work again. I'm not trying to say that BS is trying to push it as a social belief or that he thinks that arranged marriages are good and work all the time, not at all and I want to be clear on this matter as I don't know his thoughts on the matter, and it's not the subject of this thread. What I'm getting at, though, is that: should I just assume in the future that any arranged marriage will automatically work? Because that's just plain boring, as it removes all narrative tension on the matter of romance if we know the resolution beforehand, and I hope this will change in the future. Lastly, as someone else has already said Kaladin, admittedly my favourite character, is being set up for a life of lonely brooding and self-loathing. That's something I don't want to read because I find it dull and I'm, basically, Syl and I want to see him happy. Anyway, I don't think BS will do something like that as I don't think his novels are not known for their grimness but I neither want to see him become a deity or symbolic figure that is appart from the world, or something like that. A happy life with someone who cares and uplifts him emotionally will be enough, provided that he has solved his many issues. Those are my thoughts on the matter, I hope I didn't appear to harsh and unfair.

I know exactly how you feel. My personal solution to this is to take a step back, read something else( preferably something very different), settle for the long wait until the next book where I hope things will get better for Kaladin. At the same time I keep making possible scenarios in my head (basically fan-fic that I'll never write because I'm not much of a writer at all) of how it'll play out for the best in my opinion. First post by the way...