NotBurtReynolds

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on what being Bridge Four means...I don't think Bridge Four has anything to do with any battles they've waged. Battles and combat serves as bonding over commonality for them, but being Bridge Four is about what's inside you. Its not charging the Parshendi at the Tower, it what was inside you that made you make the decision to charge the tower. Moash was in Bridge Four because he shared what was in Kaladin and the rest..THE IDEALS. Moash is no longer in Bridge Four just Kaladin would no longer be a Windrunner if he had continued with the Elhokar assassination plot. It's not Bridge Four 4 Life just because we ran the chasms. It's Bridge Four because it's Bridge Four. And that's no longer Moash. So cut it with the salute, rat-snake

I scared my baby yelling "Moooaaaaaaassssshhhhhhhh!!!!!!" in the style of "Kahhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn!"

Yes, those things.

Yea, I wasn't clear. I think Moash GAVE it as his way of showing Kal respect, but in Kal's shoes I would take it as a big F U. As in "you dirty snake, how dare you poison our salute with your misdeeds, not matter how justified you feel?" Bridge Four was forged in part by Kal rejecting all the feelings which led Moash to that moment. I think he would just see it as the one last heartbreaking nail he had to put in Moash's redemption coffin. One last enforcement that Moash wasn't Bridge Four and wasn't Kal's friend.

Thanks for the thoughts everyone.

Me too, man! He’s my favorite in the Cosmere..Just needs to attach his string to something

I guess I just don’t understand why he fought the way he did if he had full control of 10 surges? Why use Shardblades and shardbows? Why not overwhelm with surges?I get him not being a master of all of them quickly, but why only use 3 when you have 10? It feels like a Mistborn fighting with swords and shields. But regardless, I still don’t think an UmMade with 10 surges means we’ll see a human with mastery of all. Perhaps, just don’t think it’s a given.

Thank you. Hadn’t combed over the Amaram part yet on the reread.

Pleased don’t take this as insulting, but have you read Secret History yet? Might decrease your sodium levels

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I hate him for making the salute in that moment. It was sticking a metaphorical spear through Kaladin, after putting the real one through Elhokar. Strangely, I have an easier time justifying his murder of Elhokar than the world’s most hurtful F you that he gave to Kaladin. I now have Kaladin as a huge favorite to be murdering Moash eventually. Honor speed

Is their any evidence to this besides the epigraph where it says “Yelig-Nar had great powers, perhaps all the surges compounded into one.”? Because we saw 2 people bonded with YN and neither seemed to be using surges. Is this because they hadn’t been bonded long enough to understand using them?

Yea man, I really like that..The Recreance feels like it has to be a lot more complicated than “ humans were the original Voidbringers.” When you put it as, “Not only were we the invaders that conquered the home species but we also lobotomized/enslaved them? And we’re supposed to be the heroes?” That fleshes out the Recreance a little more for me.

I shouldve written a better question;).. I know that we haven’t had an adonalasiumspren with a Nahel bond yet, I was thinking more in the lines of, would Brandon put a great spren outside of the 10 that could bond and be a kind of super Radiant a la a Mistborn. Or would that be seen as too much of a cheat code addition? Now that I know that there’s an Unmade who can do the same, Im more likely to think we’ll have a human doing the same

Any chance we see an adonalsiumspren existing outside the 10 orders, bond someone? Would this grant them all surges? Is this a ridiculous question and not just because that would make one person way too powerful?

Is it to fast to think that at least one of the unintended side-effects of imprisoning Ba-Ado-Mishram was that all of the parsh Connected to her at the time were robbed of not just their forms of power but all forms, locking them into the previously unknown slaveform? I had always assumed the Parsh ending up in slaveform was a purposeful action taken by the Knights Radiant. If it is instead an unintended consequence of defeating one of the world's great evils, then it really muddies up the morality waters. Enslaving an enemy is one morally questionable decision. Enslaving them and purposefully robbing them of their minds is much, much more questionable, in my eyes. But what should they have done, if this is true? The Knights know they had to defeat Ba-Ado-Mishram, if they have the chance. They succeed. Hurrah! But then all the (presumably)thousands and thousands of former enemy combatants are now mindless drones. What do you do? Slaughter them? Leave them to their own devices to die of starvation and the elements? Care for them until they all die off? Or enslave them? This makes the human/parsh relationship much more interesting to me, because before I was pretty much thinking the Knights Radiant were real dicks for the whole slavefom thing. You couldn't give them dullform? Or just mateform? This would bring a lot more context for me.

So, Dalinar combines Realms, has an assemblage of "Radiants" join him..9 total, specifically. He counts off the Orders and thinks to himself that there should be one more. So are we being led to believe that there should be one more because it needs to be the powerful number of 10, or rather because all Orders need to be represented? I ask because of the makeup of the 'team'. Yes, there are 9 people, but only 8 Orders are represented, right? 1. Dalinar Bondsmith 2. Kaladin Windrunner 3. Shallan Lightweaver 4. Jasnah Elsecaller 5. Renarin Truthwatcher 6. Szeth Skybreaker 7. Taln Stoneward 8. Lift Edgedancer 9. Ash Lightweaver See, when I read it before I had did the math on the Order representation, I assumed that he was thinking there should be 1 more because the Dustbringers weren't represented and that it was a whole is greater than the sum, type situation..ie..The Knights are their most powerful when all Orders are covered and accounted for. Seems most intuitive for someone growing up on Voltron. Then I realized we were actually missing 2 Orders because Lightweaving is covered twice with Shallan and Ash.So no Willshaper, along with no Dustbringer. So why does Dalinar think to himself that "there should be one more"? Does he intuitively know that he needs 10 to be most powerful, regardless of Order? Or did just not 'do the math' either and didn't realize that the 9 people standing with him only represented 8 Orders? Thoughts?

Oooh...Now wouldn't that be something I don't have my book in front of me, but I seem to remember Nale explaining the Oaths to Szeth and mentioning that most of the Skybreakers had sworn to the law, but the sentence doensn't end "as have I", or something to the effect. I now find it telling that Nale, Mr. Law, doesn't mention that he swore himself to the law. Nice catch

I really like that for explaining the precautions and how they could relate to the coming of the Everstorm. But in the quote where he mentions the precautions, he speaks as if he thinks they are still in place, even though the Desolation/Everstorm has begun. So maybe your explanation with the Rhythms being taken from the Parshmen was just part of their precautions(which have now failed) and they still have some things up their sleeves for keeping Odium at bay?

Even if there is a connection between Surgebinders and the Everstorm, it doesn't explain why Nale would think he could stop anything by killing Surgebinders. Why wasn't he killing Surgebinders pre-Recreance if he felt so strongly about them causing a Desolation? I guess what I'm trying to figure out is, what happened between the Recreance and the recent past(recent past being, whenever exactly it was that Nale started hunting surgebinders) that led Nale to believe he would be able to stop the next Desolation/Everstorm/Bad Odium Whatever, by hunting surgebinders down.

So, Nale thinks he can stop a Desolation by killing budding Radiants? Why does he think so? The way I read the Stormfather's explanation of the Oathpact, it seemed that the next Desolation only began when a Herald broke in Damnation. If that's the case, then the next Desolation after breaking the Oathpact would start whenever Taln broke, regardless of any Radiants walking around. And Nale knows this, right? I mean, the timeline isn't completely nale'd down yet, but seems like we have about 2000 years-ish between the Last Desolation and the Recreance...So 2000 years of Nale existing post-Oathpact with a whole mess of Radiants walking around, without a Desolation. So why now does he claim he was killing pre-radiants in order to stop a Desolation? Is it out of subterfuge or ignorance?