Housedunn

Shatter point goes alittle farther than this. Some Jedi can actually see shatterpoint in TIME seeing inciting incidents before they happen. One example is when mace was fighting The emperor and knew anakin was gonna enter the room

Also keep in mind that all the (main) mistborn that we see in the books are considered the higher pinnacle of the craft. All of them (expect for Zane, tho he is said to be comparable to Kel) either beat, and went toe to toe with an inquisitor and did veery good, which was pretty much deemed impossible for them. I would think that it would be far fetch to think that an random joe snuffy mistborn ( like Shan) would probably be killed by a mediocre Surgebinder on there 3rd Oath, tho with high diff

4 hours ago, SwordNimiForPresident said:

If they can access the Dor, Elantrians. Otherwise, Kelsier or any other Fullborn. I'd give Kel an edge over other Fullborn because he's older than any of the others excluding Rashek, and Rashek got owned by a Mistborn. If the Honor Blades are in play then Dalinar MIGHT be able to hang in there. He would need to have Radiant Plate, and he would need to have bonded all 10 blades. Assuming all that is true he could form a perpendicularity and go ham with all of the Surges.

Whoa. Where did ALL TEN HONORBLADES on Daliner come from? He never even used one of them.

5 hours ago, beantheboy12 said:

Susebron awakened that whole sea of cloth at the end of warbreaker. The Lord Ruler May be an overpowered full born, but he can’t break through a swarm of cloth

Honestly, breaking through a swarm of cloth is probably the easiest thing that the lord ruler would do in decades.

Just now, Veden Truthwatcher said:

Nightblood would end the fight too fast. It's bad entertainment.

Tho it would be the funniest and fastest game of hot potato....

So the human body is pretty piss poor when it comes to holding Investure, which is why Stormlight leaks out of the body or why Raoden almost got flattened by the Dor when it got backed up. But how come Breaths are so good at being stored that they literal CAN'T leave the body unless under a specific command? And whatever the answer is, do you think it could be applicable to any other of Investure?

My money’s on szeth for, a not a very long time really, but a hell of a show. His STUPIDLY good mobility that completely stomp any mistborn’s and nightblood. Just nightblood.

yo. But imagine if Vin or another mistborn picks up NIGHTBLOOD.

On 9/24/2014 at 10:20 PM, Colby Jack said:

 

Granted. But you are now stuck with a 32-bit computer.

 

I wish to be a strong independent woman who needs no man.

 

and you get the most annoying woman ever conceivable

Boon: I want the boon to do everything perfectly

BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH A VS BATTLE!

This time we got "end of book 3" Kalidin in a highstorm vs mist powered Vin. (who stomped the Lord Ruler and the 13 Inquisitors. NOT her taking on the mantle of Preservation)

Location in a highstorm

Round 1: Vin with first 8 metals

ROund 2: Vin with all 16 metals

(feel free to powerscale her form also. I have pretty much no idea of how strong she is, or how she would interact with a lot of the constants of Investure

On 7/8/2018 at 10:28 PM, vikorr said:

I see several people mentioning using emotional allomancy. I'm not sure why people think Vin could use emotional allomancy on an invested person?

I see an argument over Vin's ability in the air:

- Kaladin is far superior in that regard

- Vin can push off coins/metals - that need to secured to the ground, otherwise the coins etc just fly away from her. And for her to stay in the air, the metal definitely needs purchase to the ground.... but if Kaladin lashes her in any direction other than the ground, well, coins have no purchase in the air.

Sylshield is important in this dicussion. I would have said, Kaladin lashes her to the air, approaches behind sylshield, then skewers her. I'm not sure how Vin would beat that...

...mind you, I stopped reading that series half way through the second book.

2 questions I would have VERY late into the convo is

1) how come it is thought that you can't use emotional alomancy on an invested person? I don't remember any indication of that being impossible.

2) would it be possible for Kal to Lash a coin or Vin herself, for they would both be invested? It is impossible for one to Lash someone using Stormlight or wearing Shardplate, but also take into consideration that someone burning metal is way less Invest that someone Surgeabinding

Also, another thing not brought up is that the only 2 ways to kill a Surgebinder, is 1) a Shardblade or 2) (headcanon as balls) destroy his head. Vin could possibly pull it off with a duralumin pewter strike, tho if she whiffs it's a slap for Kalidin

Yea I kinda agree with you about the bands of mourning/ secret history order. It’s a lot like the order of watching Star Wars. Do you watch the prequels first for chronological sake or the originals for shock value?

Hey I been think about this for a while. What would be a good reading order for the cosmere in general. I was kinda thinking first mistborn, then stormlight, then really anything after. What u guys think?

Hey I been think about this for a while. What would be a good reading order for the cosmere in general. I was kinda thinking first mistborn, then stormlight, then really anything after. What u guys think?

But I remember in WoR, kaladin was dueling with 2 shardbearers at the same time with relative ease. Do you think that stormlight would get an edge with that?

With the release of Oathbringer, I wanted to see if i could revive this discussion. I know that there is already a thread of this, but I wanted to know if thoughts have shifted, including the stupid stuff pulled off by Kaladin and the Knights Radiant in OB

Round 1: Vin (starting her training with Kel) vs. soilder kaladin

 Round 2: Vin (end of the final empire) vs. Kaladin (end of WoK)

Round 3: Vin (end of Book 2) vs Kaladin (before killing Syl and swearing the 3rd oath)

Round 4: Vin (end of Book 3 and before becoming Preservation) vs Kaladin (end of OB)
 

 Vin has 3 vials of the 8 basic metals plus duralumin and Kaladin has a bag of stormlight and all Sylweapons in round 4

Vin has NO access to Preservation's power (besides Allomancy) and any feats using them are null (ex. killing the Lord Ruler)

bonus round: rou nd 4 with unlimited metal and stormlight

doing the WOR, Kaladin swore the 3rd oath, he flew all the way to the shattered plains. my question is how FAST did he fly? It is obvious that he made a day-to-weeks trip in hours, but exactly how fast i wanted to ask 

which gives the best strength buffs: pewter, storm light, or shardplates?

Round one: Spook as a savant with full reserve of tin and two dueling canes vs Vasher at the fifth heightening and either sword or dueling cane

Round two: Spook as a mistborn ( for arguement sake at Kelsier's skill and strengths) with a full supply of all 16 metals vs. Vasher with nightblood and still 5th heightening

location: Kredik Shaw

no outside help and in character

44 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Of course Scadrial could just make alluminum Alloy armor... 

Wouldn't aluminum make horrible armor for everything else?

8 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said:

No, allomantic pewter just seems to improve the physical body. Strength, stability, stamina, self-repair. It doesn't seem to extend to the spiritual in any way.

Maybe. But I don't think conventional healing in the Cosmere, like gold feruchemy, can undo changes due to savantism, because those are fundamentally changing your spiritual aspect, not exactly damaging it. 

Surgebind is the same thing though. It can heal Spiritual damage but the Spiritual damage to become a surgebinder becomes who you are. Maybe this can apply to pewter also, healing spiritual damage, but but not healing what you are

The question that i have today if a mistborn were to burn pewter, would they be able to heal spiritual damage, and more importantly, a cut from a shardblade?

On 12/24/2017 at 2:48 AM, Calderis said:

We're seriously debating this? 

Susebron would be lying in a puddle if his own blood without time to realize he died. 

Harsh man harsh

do u have any reasoning for your statement?

and why are u typing this at 3

in morning?

On 12/11/2017 at 8:33 AM, Smokeform said:

But would Kaladin really fight him? I bet Kaladin would see him as a confused teenager, think of Tien, and invite him to join bridge four. Jokes aside Percy doesn’t actually fight that much and almost always augments his fighting with his strength from water or trickery and without that water he probably would not fight amazingly. Unless he actually had the Achilles heel. If we are equating an Achilles heel with shard plate, I don’t think it would be much different than when Kaladin killed the shardbearer, just with a different weakness. I’d say in the shattered plains without water Kaladin would demolish Percy in most situations except soldier versus Achilles heel where it would be 50-50. 

Would it be the coolest if Percy joined bridge 4!

16 hours ago, EC11 said:

I wouldn't rate it that low, but I agree this was probably the weakest installment in the series so far. There was a lot being thrown around and I didn't find any of the character arcs as satisfying as I did in books 1 and 2.

Some of the characters seemed to slip here, and the sheer amount of stuff going on made it hard to follow some threads. Overall Shallan, Dalinar, Adolin, and Jasnah had the biggest growth. 

The little tidbits throughout the book were fascinating, but the overall plot itself seemed to slump.

Aesudan had zero characterization in book one (not even a name!) and her bare bones characterization showed yes she was neglectful and caused the riots, but gave no lead to the fact she would be bonding one of the unmade! It feels like it was more of a last minute addition almost, and it was sprung so suddenly (and she only appeared in that one scene) that the whole reveal felt slightly pointless.

Odium's reveal had the biggest oomph for me, and Dalinar's story was perhaps the most interesting from a growth perspective. Yeah Shallan grew too, but Kaladin seemed to slip backwards. Renarin's plot line seemed almost thrown in at random and so when his spren was "wrong" I couldn't really do anything but scratch my head at that. There was very little lead up, and quite frankly we needed more time with Jasnah to really get a look at what was going on from her perspective.

Personally, I blame the weakness of the Kholinar arc for the failings on some parts of the book, but I'm hoping book 4 sorts much of the hanging threads out.

I feel like the reason Kaladin slipped back was that he was growing the past 2 books. For home to save the day twice and then fall into despair and failed to do it a third, in my opinion, made him more relatable the he was. He is easily my favorite fictional character ever

The battle of God Kings! A battle between The Lord Ruler and Susebron. Susebron has his tongue and two senanrios; one where LR has only the metal available during the end of the Hero of Ages, ( with or without atium: take your pick), and one with the metal available at the end of the Bands of Morning (without atium) 

No lerasium

the setting is TLR's palace; I don't know how to spell it off the top of my head

leave a reason behind your predicted outcome and because there is little to no information for the Tenth Heightening or Componding speculation is welcome!