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4 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

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I meant that we see Midius (Hoid) in the unpublished Liar of Partinel long before the Shattering. And Hoid as a person and Dawnshard existed before the Shattering. And we know that the Dawnshards were used to Shatter Adonalsium.

@scyron See above. I clarified.

Gotcha, yeah that's a good point.

I like this theory.

Although I do think it is very improbable.  I feel like the Shards would give more deference or at least respect to Hoid if he really were the physical manifestation of Adonalsium. 

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imriel452 (Paraphrased)

I asked for "Info on why Adonalsium shattered".

Brandon Sanderson

Adonalsium Shattered because he was killed.

General Signed Books 2016 (Feb. 1, 2016)

 

So Adonalsium was definitely killed, but that doesn't totally leave out the possibility that he left a shadow behind. 

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Rider of Storms

Did Adonalsium (or its Vessel) leave a Cognitive Shadow behind? If so, where is it?

Brandon Sanderson

RAFO.

Oathbringer release party (Nov. 13, 2017)

 

So I like your thinking, but in my opinion if there is a shadow it's not very likely that it is Hoid, but who knows crazier things have happened.

1 hour ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Hoid is older than the Shattering.

So is Adonalsium.

Silence Divine is supposed have a magic system where people gain powers when they are sick and then lose them when they get better. So that may be a future example of what you're talking about. Of course that could always change depending on when and if Sanderson writes it but I think that idea is interesting because like you said we don't see that kind of thing very often. It'd be cool to have a more open magic system where anyone could gain powers under certain conditions.

10 minutes ago, Windrunner2319 said:

Or is it Vathi from Sixth of the Dusk?

 

We have a winner!

No, its not either of those, but you're really close. This character is female.

Nope, it is not Jasnah, Sazed, or Lightsong. This character is not from a major cosmere work.

Alright, this character is rather non-traditional.

Please tell me it's Stick. 

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I believe it would do the same thing as normal. Burn up all of the metal being burned exceptionally fast. It doesn't actually give more power, just all at once, which would require very quick storage or it would be wasted.

You're right, I had forgotten exactly how that worked.

On 2/26/2018 at 8:37 PM, Calderis said:

It's been confirmed that there is a way to enhance Allomancy via Feruchemy, but no confirmation of how yet, other than that it was available to TLR, which bars nicrosil compounding. 

Ok, so I'm not going crazy, thanks for confirming that. 

On 2/26/2018 at 8:37 PM, Calderis said:

As to Ruin's influence... You still have a spike, regardless of if it's doing something productive, so the hole to access and manipulate you is still there. Full control wouldn't be possible until 4 spikes however, so it would only be the crazy visions and whispering we've already seen in Vin/Zane/Spook's cases. 

That makes sense, so if someone was impaled by a random piece of metal, Ruin would not be able to influence them right? Because the spike doesn't have a charge, so it wouldn't affect their spirit web and create a hole for Ruin to use?

Thank you Calderis and The One Who Connects.

1. If a person were a pewter compounder, could they burn pewter while storing strength and thereby store more than if they weren't burning pewter? So basically could a pewter compounder store strength faster than normal pewter ferrings without actually compounding? I'm guessing no because feruchemical pewter seems to be more about muscle mass than just strength, but I'm curious to see what you guys think.
2. What would happen if you burned duralumin while compounding? So you burn your metalmind while also burning duralumin, would this give you an increased amount of that feruchemical attribute compared to if you were compounding while not burning duralumin? Would it have some other effect?
3. I'm about 95% certain this is just in my head, but for some reason I feel like I remember hearing about a way to compound for infinite allomancy instead of the normal way of it for feruchemy, but can someone please confirm that I'm just dreaming?
4. How exactly does feruchemical nicrosil work? Can only one feruchemical or allomantic power be stored per nicrosilmind? If so, how do the Bands work, because it seems like 1 nicrosilmind. Were a bunch of nicrosilminds melted into one piece and then put into the Bands?
5. I believe this was touched on briefly in the Kelsier v. Kaladin thread, but what happens when you burn atium inside a speed bubble? Would the atium shadows outside the bubble slow down accordingly while the ones inside move at a regular speed (from your perspective)?
6. Spikes need a hemalurgic charge, intent, and correct placement in a bindpoint to grant somebody powers right? Would a spike without 1 of those requirements still have an effect on the person? I'm kinda going off this quote from the Coppermind 

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   If a spike is placed in the wrong location it can have unforeseen effects, such as killing the recipient or possibly not granting any power at all

   So I guess what I'm really wondering is whether or not a spike that's not in a bindpoint but with a charge and the correct intent would still allow Ruin to influence/control the person spiked without granting them powers. Are there any other effects to something like this? More generally, how important are bindpoints in Hemalurgy?

When you read this in the Book of Judges

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Then Jael Heber’s wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.

Judges 4:21

And immediately think of hemalurgy.

So, Biblical Inquisitors confirmed?

Me:

But seriously, this is a really hard question. I love them both in their own ways. Mistborn is amazing all around, the Metallic Arts is my favorite magic system of Sanderson's and HoA is definitely my favorite ending as of yet. I also really enjoyed many of the themes throughout mistborn. On the other hand, stormlight probably wins as my favorite series, however I feel that they are hard to compare since the stormlight books are much longer and there are more than three times as many books, a lot more content can be packed in there. (although I guess not if you count all the eras, but the difference is that stormlight doesn't  have large gaps between eras, it's much more of 1 continuous story) I think Stormlight has more interesting worldbuilding and a much larger scope with a lot of big, Cosmere-relevant stuff going on.  There was also a good amount of that in mistborn, but not so much until the 3rd book. But again, that is mostly due to their length.

So, I love them both for different things, but if I was forced to choose, stormlight would win even though mistborn is a very, very close second in my opinion.

17 minutes ago, WhiteLeeopard said:

I really hated the change, because it didn't make Kaladin into a protector in my eyes, but simply removed responsibility from him while achieving the same thing (zero chance of Szeth surviving without the Honorblade a thousand foot fall). So basically he condemned Szeth to die after refusing to kill him?

As Calderis said, I guess this is where we disagree fundamentally. I don't see it so much as Kaladin condemning Szeth to die in the storm (which is basically the same as just killing him), but more of Szeth seeking death as he has wanted to for a long time after accepting that he is not Truthless and Kaladin letting him choose that.

But like you said, everyone is going to see it differently and fortunately, we can all still appreciate the pure genius of the book even if we don't agree. 

1 hour ago, Calderis said:

If Szeth shouldn't have been killed, how is choosing not to protect him from the fall not breaking the third oath? 

I certainly agree that the whole revision was not all that cleanly executed and that even with stormlight, Kaladin probably reacted too fast.

However, you brought up the 3rd oath and I don't think Kaladin went against it . In my mind, there is a distinction between actually killing Szeth and allowing him to fall into the storm and I will explain why.

Kaladin's 3rd oath:

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I will protect even those I hate, so long as it is right.

The phrase "so long as it is right" is key here. While protecting Dalinar and co. from Szeth, he was fulfilling his oath to protect. Once Szeth gave up, there was no longer any danger and thus no protection was needed and as you all mentioned, it would basically be murder for Kaladin to kill him.

1 hour ago, Calderis said:

If Szeth shouldn't have been killed, how is choosing not to protect him from the fall not breaking the third oath? 

So if I understand correctly, you are saying that Kaladin should have stopped Szeth from falling into the storm because doing otherwise would go against his oath of protecting even those he hates.

I think he let Szeth die because of the words "so long as it is right". In Kaladin's eyes, even if it would be murder to kill Szeth, that does not necessarily mean it would by right to protect him from suicide either. Szeth has murdered a lot of people and even if he thought he was Truthless, he still murdered them. Because of that, Kaladin believed Szeth did not deserve to be saved and thus, was not breaking his oath by letting Szeth fall.

Maybe there would have been a better way to revise it while still making it seem realistic, but personally I think Kaladin's actions align with his honor and ideals.

1 hour ago, Jimpy said:

Speaking of this, can anyone quote the new passage to me? I've basically only read Sanderson's post about it.

Here is one of the original threads about the revision with a full side by side comparison several posts in.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/38550.Brandon_Sanderson

I found so many good ones on there, but this is one of my favorites:

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You should try not to talk so much, friend. You'll sound far less stupid that way.

- Breeze

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“Maybe you should let me teach you how to use a side sword. You’re pretending to be head of our bodyguards tonight, and you’re lighteyed today. It looks strange for you to walk around without a side sword.” “Maybe I’m one of those punchy guys.” Adolin stopped in place and grinned at Kaladin. “Did you just say ‘punchy guys’?” “You know, ardents who train to fight unarmed.” “Hand to hand?” “Hand to hand.” “Right,” Adolin said. “Or ‘punchy guys,’ as everyone calls them.” Kaladin met his eyes, then found himself grinning back. “It’s the academic term.” “Sure. Like swordy fellows. Or spearish chaps.” “I once knew a real axalacious bloke,” Kaladin said. “He was great at psychological fights.” “Psychological fights?” “He could really get inside someone’s head.

Axalacious bloke, I love it

Ok, that makes sense, thanks.

I was wondering, if a fullborn made a suit of armor which could double as a metalmind(s) and filled it using compounding, could the armor act similar to shardplate due to all the investiture? (At least in terms of shardplate's incredible durablity)

11 minutes ago, Figberts said:

Hey, I'm a Cosmere purist. I don't read any of the non-Cosmere works, and those books aren't even as good as Cosmere.

While I agree that the non-cosmere stuff is not quite as good, they are definitely worth a read (especially the reckoners). I mean, its Sanderson, everything he writes is worth a read.

Personally, I feel that Mistborn of all Sanderson's books is best suited for a movie. I think it would work really well. Maybe I just havent watched enough anime, but it always feels really cheesy to me. So I pretty much feel the complete opposite, that mistborn would be wasted as an anime. But thats just my opinion, pease don't take it offensively, its not meant to be degrading.