ShardplateJoe III

I thought this too, but in the OP, none of the times Dalinar feels the light and the warmth are times that it would apparently benefit Odium, especially when it would seem that the presence of the feeling is what prompted Dalinar to take responsibly for his actions and deny Odium.

Wasn't Kaladin thinking of the elderly lady he was escaping with, and how she wanted him to go and save himself, but he refused, insisting that he try to save her, against her protests around the time he tried to swear the 4th ideal? This may have merit, I can't think of other specific examples, but Kaladin asked himself if he could meant the words when he tried to swear the 4th ideal, perhaps because he struggles with letting others putting themselves in harm's way?

One problem, aluminum stops gold healing.

There were a few people in the thread that did not know this, so I just decided to post to help them.

Usually, when accelerating in all kinds of directions really fast, g-forces accompany it, however, when that happens in our world, it isn't because we changed the direction gravity pulls on us, usually it is that we are changing which directions other objects are pushing on us. These other objects pushing on us are what cause g-force, or the sensation of weight, and forces greater than 1 g would have to be generated either by having a machine of sorts push you around really fast, or by standing on a planet bigger than earth. However, due to the nature of gravity, lashing in different directions will not make you experience any significant g's until you are traveling at high-lashing terminal velocities. Gravity is a field force, which means that it will effect an object entirely. It will not exert a force in one area of an object, it will pull on the entire thing. When we think of a jet pilot experiencing g's that is because the plane will push on the rigidly attached seat, which will push on the somewhat rigidly attached pilot's body, which will then push on his not-at-all rigidly attached blood. Because the blood is not rigidly attached to the pilot, and because it has inertia, it will slosh around relative to the pilot. When the pilot turns his plane upward, his blood will move toward his feet. When he turns his plane downward, his blood will rush into his head. When a windrunner lashes himself to the sky, his blood will remain stationary relative to his body, because gravity will pull on his entire body-- blood included-- all at once. Because of this, both Kaladin and people he would lash who cannot have the benefits of Stormlight at the same time, will not experience any g's, just weightlessness.

Upvote for that.

The biggest things in the fullborn's favor are its atium and its speed, none of the other abilities that we know of will counter a shardblade, even duralumin-enhanced pushes wouldn't work, because the radiant could just summon it in an instant. So, with the atium countered, we need to give them compounded speed too. Hemalurgy or a special set of bracers (even just an unkeyed steelmind) would suffice. Edit: I didn't catch that you mentioned the fullborn's speed.

It may be important to point out Lyn and Skar's interactions on the training plateau. Up to this POV, neither of them were able to inhale stormlight. It wasn't until Lyn changed her motivations from wanting to have the powers, or basically be part of the cool kids club, to wanting to help that she was able to inhale stormlight and have access to her powers. Same with Skar, up to that point he was primarily concerned with being left behind. This would imply that the primary requirement to join the Knights Radiant, whether as a squire or with your own Nahel bond, it is not clear, is to have an earnest desire to do what the orders do. I had always interpreted Syl's bit about the radiants being broken as an implication that the radiants were more honorable because they stood up even though they were broken. That basically, the qualifications were exhibiting the attributes the spren valued, but that a good way to develop those attributes that they so highly valued was to go through very hard times. Kind of like how a really, really good sales job may require expertise in a certain field, but that what would be a huge plus in your favor is a degree in that field, but I know a man who earned a job like that but did not go to school for that.

Hello all! The dust has settled on Roshar. The Final Desolation has come and gone. The time has come for a new order of Heralds. Unity has chosen you to join his heralds and lead a new order of Radiants. Chose your surges, your ideals, and your attributes. Stand firm and strong, for there must always be a watcher at the rim... The Order of Gatelords: Outgoing and earnest, the Gatelords must walk a fine line. On the one hand, they hold the terrible power of division, and on the other, the blessed gift of progression. Firm and resolute, they have garnered much respect among their Radiant colleagues. One modern scholar remarked on their personality: "They were fiercely protective of their charges, and cared little for their own safety. Where there was danger, you could bet the Gatelords would be there first. I don't think they would ever willfully permit any to confront an enemy without first being present. They were a group to whom you could run for the most serious of aid, and never expect to be turned down. "However, be warned. If you ever harm one whom a Gatelord views as their charge, you may forever be viewed as an enemy. It is rare that a Gatelord forgives this offense, and it may take years to prove that you are worthy of exoneration." Your turn!

You're probably right, I just really want to know

Does Dalinar's fancy new ability at the end of Oathbringer have more to do with his surges, or to his connection to the Stormfather? I'd like to know if a fabrial could replicate what Dalinar did with the perpendicularity. (I'd like to see a fabrial spaceship in the future.)

Granted, you are brought into the CR to play a game of chess with Mr. Jordan's cognitive shadow, and are free to come and go as you please, and Jordan will be there waiting for a new game whenever you return-- Mr. Jordan has got some time-- and the Nightwatcher makes a pipe of your description. As an added bonus, it is a fabrial pipe. Place any material of your choice in the pipe, and after 10 seconds, it will automatically be soulcast into the tabac you so desire. Your bane is that you now have a condition that constantly gives you ingrown toenails. No medical procedure, no treatment of any kind will fix this. You will be perpetually in pain when you walk, and will have to constantly fight the infection that threatens your toes. I wish for all ten surges, with a means of fueling them as renewable as stormlight, and that my bane will not directly inhibit my ability to use the surges except tangentially.

My vote goes to Shallan, I just really do not like her. There were some moments that I enjoyed of her in Oathrbinger, especially with her interactions with Wit, but throughout Stormlight, I have dreaded getting to her pov's, especially during rereads. I will say, I LOVED Dalinar's story in Oathbringer. I think that is the point. There is a big difference between is and was. I'm sure you could find an example of people who have done bad things in the past that they disavow now and do not do, and people who now do things they said they would never do. Is is not was. Dalinar was a monster-- but he would never repeat a Rathalas, Dalinar was an alcoholic-- but he now adheres to the codes, is patronizing, arrogant, and acknowledges that he hates giving up power-- but I do not think Dalinar ever was a hypocrite. In the past, when Dalinar did his monstrous deeds, he openly acknowledged that he wanted what he wanted and he would get it when he wanted. And he now will decry his former deeds. He recognizes they were wrong and disavows them. That is the difference between a hypocrite and a man improved. A hypocrite will continuously perform deeds they decry, while a repentant man will forsake the crime they now despise. This is not a perfect analyses, obviously. I wrote this while on my break, I did not have time to get into all if the good things Dalinar has done, nor the bad, but ultimately, Dalinar is a better man than he was, and I think that is the point of his whole arc in Oathbringer.

I'm on my break, so I didn't have time to look through all the responses, but I LOVE surgebinding to an inordinate amount, in large part due to how people obtain it. It speaks to me. You get, progress in, and retain your powers by being a good person, and becoming a better person. Not only that, it doesn't just make you a better person, but it makes you into a glowing, undefeatable tank, and (with the exception of a few orders) the power cannot be misused. The image of the Windrunner in Dalinar's vision falling from the sky, literally shining with the power of a god, who has sworn to be a protector, is by far my most favorite from any book I have ever read ever. I loved mistborn too, and I would love to be a mistborn, or a feruchemist, but to be a knight radiant isn't just a power, it's a calling, to be a watcher at the rim.

Yeah, the natural plants and animals of Roshar utilize stormlight in the ecosystem, hence the gemhearts. But this news about Patji excites me. Could we be getting a new Shard?

That is like saying that a telegraph does not transfer information faster than the speed of a horse because the only way to know if the information was sent is to go to the other end of the telegraph, listen in, and then bring the information back. The information does travel faster than the speed of a horse, just as how in quantum entanglement the information does travel faster than the speed of light. We just have to get better at this kind of technology, and then we can trust it to send messages, just as how we had to learn to trust telegraphs, and then phones, and then the internet. We just do not yet have a very practical purpose for it , at least that I know of. It would be like people living in a small home setting up a telegraph to speak with each other in the home. Yelling would work much better and be far more practical.

I like it a lot. Muse poiting out Kaladin's ability to form cohesive groups makes me wonder. We have seen that both windrunners and bondsmiths are capable of using a physical version of their surge, could each order be able to use their sugre physically, while differing orders alternate between the cognitive and spiritual versions of their surges, like potentially how lightweavers are good at spiritual transformation, while elsecallers are better at a cognitive form? All of this reminds me of just how much I love surgebinding and why it is my favorite magic system ever.

I was always under the impression that the Herlads' bonds to their honorblades was special, and that they could always just resummon it. I thought this because a while ago, I saw a WOB from a Q&A in which he said that the honorblades could be gifted, but not properly bonded.

Thank you, I love Brandon's Cosmere for the sheer potential and scope of it all. I think Brandon has said that his original outline for the Cosmere had Mistborn be the spine of the arc, with Stormlight being the center piece-- a turning point in the grand story of the Cosmere. Brandon has made Odium out to be the single greatest threat to the Cosmere, using the letters, and other things to do so. I believe the choices of the Stormlight character will have some of the most profound effects in the Cosmere.

From the Coppermind: Odium wants to mistreat everything in the cosmere-- not a logical leap, seeing as how he is pure hate given godly form-- and this is why he wants to be the most powerful being in the cosmere, so that he would have nothing in his way. I agree with you, that it is important for one to make the distinction between Odium's intent, and Ruin's intent, as that allows us to better grasp the scope of the greater story. Ruin wants everything to be in a state of equilibrium, for entropy to take over, and for nothing in the world to ever vary. I believe there is a WOB out there that states Ruin wants everything to be in a state of entropic equilibrium. All he cares about is the fact that things no longer are working, and he delights in the destruction because it is the mode through which he achieves his goal. Odium hates. His name is a hatred for everything. Some he might kill, yes, but generally speaking he probably just wants to inflict pain and create widespread misery. One of the Way of Kings epigraphs mentions an unnamed "he" destroying the land out of spite. I imagine that this is Roshar, and he would want to destroy the land because of all of his failures there. If Odium were to pick up Ruin, his Intent would change to resemble something more like "Hateful Destruction" or "Ruinous Hate". He would then proceed to destroy things like Ruin, but in a spiteful manner. Causing awful diseases that would spread far and wide, drawing out death in a painful manner. Earthquakes that would proceed for hours, creating apocalyptic scenarios with ultimately fatal, but slow and painful, results. That kind of thing. Odium's desire to cause misery would very easily explain why "soon after the Shattering" (Arcanum Unbounded, Kindle edition pg. 417) Odium killed Ambition, he likely acknowledged the threat that a god of equal power whose primary attribute was ambition could pose, how much he could get in the way-- maybe even, like an aspiring darkeyes, want the glory that would come from felling the most dangerous enemy on the field--and eliminated him first. There is no conformation that I know of, but Odium seems to have killed Ambition first. Afterwards, he moves on to Sel, kills Devotion and Dominion. Dominion was likely the primary target in this conflict, as Dominion could have been a power-hungry emperor who just wants to expand his borders as far as possible. (Dominion's intent likely wasn't this two-dimensional, but it is not a stretch to see this as one of his intentions.) This would likely be around the time that Honor gets involved. A being of righteousness could not stand idly by while people are being targeted for murder. He binds Odium to the oathpact, in a bid to either destroy him or contain him. But, seeing as how Odium is the Cosmere equivalent of the Devil, he would not have consented to be bound by the oathpact unless the terms favored him. I imagine that Honor used himself as bait to get Odium to agree. "I will give you the opportunity to kill me, in a duel. If you fail, you will be able to try again, and again, until either I kill you, or you kill me." Is essentially how I see Honor's conversation with Odium going down. Maybe as part of the deal, Cultivation could not be involved in Desolations, this could explain her current silence. The heralds were likely also chosen and consented to be the bearers on whom the Oathpact rested. In the Prelude to the Stormlight Archive, the heralds tell themselves that leaving one of them in damnation would have been enough. They seemed to make the connection that if they all left, the Oathpact would have ended. This makes me wonder now, did Honor and Cultivation go to Roshar intending to cultivate (hehe) a battle ground upon which to duel Odium before binding him to the Oathpact? Did Honor and Cultivation bring men with them, and could that be the origin of the Rosharan belief that they came from the Tranquiline halls? Did Cultivation give the Dawn shards to men to help them learn and grow before Odium's eventual arrival? Did they agree to the Oathpact long beforehand, and chose Roshar as the dueling grounds later? Did Odium even choose Roshar, because he saw how convenient the Parshendi were, how if he would give them the right spren to bond, theirentire temperament would change? I should not have said agents, seeing as how agents was definitely the wrong word, but rather his pawns. From what we have seen now, it would make sense that Odium triggers Desolations by playing the humans and Parshendi off of each other (I don't know if that is how he did it in the past, but that is definitely how he is doing it now). I did make the big assumption though that the extinction of humanity on Roshar is how Odium would win.

It does seem likely that voidbinding is Odium's magic on Roshar. Remember, the voidbringers, Odium's agents of destruction in the desolations, were there to destroy humans. The reason being, Odium wants to destroy all of the humans on Roshar, and in so doing be free to wreak hateful havoc on a Cosmere-wide scale. Most modern Rosharans know nothing of the bigger picture, only that the voidbringers want to end humanity. Thus, it seems likely that they would deem Odium's magic voidbinding, since it is an apparent opposite to sugrebinding that is used to kill humans and bring the void.

I, too am of the opinion that the voidspren is a voidspren. Syl wouldn't have been familiar with the spren because it wasn't around until the everstorm brought it across. Remember, the Arcanum Unbounded essay on the Greater Roshar system states that Braize is home to sentient splinters (what we would know as spren). We also know Braize is the current residence of Odium. Remember also that Shadesmar is just the Cognitive Realm version of Roshar. A spren from Shadesmar would not interact with a spren from Braize, because they are a planet apart. May I suggest that the Everstorm brought already existing voidspren from Braize, and dumped them into Physical Realm Roshar, and that Odium healed the Listeners because it fit into his greater plan, even if he hates everything, and hatred tends not to heal. A few questions regarding your post: If cultivationspren were not able to detect the highstorms because they were of Honor, why would they be able to detect everstorms? Them not being of Odium would make that rather unlikely by your logic. If any spren we have been exposed to already were a cultivationspren, it would be Wyndle and his kind. Syl, an honorspren, shared the ideals that most closely resembled what would have been Honor's. It would make sense that Wyndle, who only wants to grow a garden, and who is made up of growing vines, is a Cultivationspren. Why, then do you, and apparently many others, think that this new spren is a cultivationspren? Additionally, I am pretty sure that the highstorms were present long before Honor and Cultivation, which does raise some questions as to how Syl could feel one coming, any suggestions?

Kaladin didn't succeed at everything. He lost a lot of Bridge Four before Dalinar freed them, Hobber lost his legs during the first Assassin attack, and he didn't come out as a Radiant even though he knew he should. That caused a lot of grief, and likely is the cause of some more still. While it is true that Kaladin did see a lot of success these last few times, as opposed to his attempted slave revolts, Kaladin still wasn't infallible.

Hobber being saved by Kaladin

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but Double nicrosil We know that tin stores senses, and each sense requires its own metalmind. Likewise, food and water nutrition must be stored in seperate metalminds. This leads me to believe that I could siphon off trace amounts of my Preservation and Ruin investitures in different metalminds, compound those, and tap them at exceptional rates to become fullborn.