Infinity Sliver

1 minute ago, Karger said:

If you are wondering why the stormfather is acting a bit different then with Dalinar it is because of how Gavilar views him.  Spren take on different shapes based on the perception of those they interact with.  Gavilar often saw the stormfather as an opponent(human) to be overcome.  Dalinar sees him more as an abstract force.

But the SF doesnt act differently to everyone else. He's the same regardless in the books. He speaks to Syl,the same,Kaladin etc. The SF seems...way too grand to talk to someone differently just because of how they view him. 

3 minutes ago, SirWerebear said:

If I remember correctly in the same scene Odium said that you can't be tricked into an agreement like this. That you have to say it with Intent. 

It wouldn't really be tricking him. Gavilar wants to be immortal and "replacing" a Herald been a second part that isn't important to him,Odious SF could pull it off without trickery. Again,long stretch here

3 minutes ago, SirWerebear said:

The last exchange about the words was interesting.

" “Give it to me,” Gavilar said. “Now. I need it.”

The Stormfather turned a shimmering head his direction. That was almost them.

“What, those?” Gavilar said. “Those were almost the words? A demand?”

So close. And so far."

I think that last comment about being "so far" was a response to Gavilar calling it a demand and it was close because of him saying "I need it". My point is that I think the words have to do with being in need, almost pleading. 

This scene reminded me of when Dalinar almost released Odium from his bonds. Just the part where Odium turns his head around and explains what Dalinar is about to do.

Hmmm,one thought,could this be Odium? And him ascending to Herald status would just be him becoming his Champion? And Gavilar almost saying the words were like,Gavilar giving in to Odium? Meh,long stretch. was fun while it lasted

Just now, Pathfinder said:

Sorry maybe I should clarify. The entire prolonged that the stormfather speaks is in italics EXCEPT when he says goodbye to gavilar. See below:

I know exactly what you meant,this was the scene i was imagining as well. To me,when that shift happens,it seemed more like the SF we knew before Dalinar bonded him so i found it strange too

Just now, Frustration said:

They did it with Gavilar, so it is possible.

But we don't really know what's going on with Gavilar.The one example that we fully know is Dalinar and from that experience,we know you have to have a bond.

1 minute ago, Frustration said:

Or the Stormfather could always do that and simply won't anymore.

As far as we know,they have to be bonded for the visions outside of the Highstorms

11 minutes ago, Pathfinder said:

Could be nothing, as Brandon said first draft and all, but anyone else notice that the type of script used to denote when the stormfather speaks changed when he said goodbye to gavilar?

I noticed this but I think when the SF bonds you,he speaks in italics but to the ones that are unbonded,he uses the small caps

3 minutes ago, Nameless said:

I don't think Elhokar breathed in stormlight from his Shardplate. And Gavilar wasn't a very good match for the Stormfather.

ok,maye not elhokar,but kaladin right? And even if he wasn't a good match,apparently he close enough to be able to soon bond him,so breathing stormlight isnt too farfetched

6 minutes ago, Nameless said:

Gavilar was one oath short of bonding the SF. He hadn't sworn any ideals.

Even before Oaths are spoken,haven't we seen cases where they still absorb stormlight? Elhokar with the gemstones in his shardplate,kaladin with spheres Teft gave him...I can't recall any others but I could be wrong nonetheless

I have a question

If Gavilar was so far into his oaths that the SF(whoever he was) thought he was one oath short of been a Herald,how was Gavilar able to hold a shardblade in his fight with Szeth when he was in full armor and plate? Why wasnt he able to able to breathe in some of the stormlight in the room where he and Szeth fought?

3 minutes ago, Frustration said:

When Taravangian refers to the Unmade he is speaking to himself, so no one to lie to. Additionally Shin trade has been weird lately adding to the evidence.

I don't recall Taravangian mentioning an unmade,only referring to the honorblades. And again,this doesn't really narrow the timeline. The Unmade could have been simmering there for a while. There's more evidence of Ishar claiming his blade at around the same time as Gavilar's death than much later

2 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Vistim's visit means that the Unmade was not in control until years after Gavilar's assassination.

Ishar said there was an Unmade and that Szeth's father was dead. Taravangian said the same thing.

The Unmade could have been not totally in control but manifesting by when Vstim was still contact with the Shin(1173) .And we know Taravangian was straight up lying when he was referring to the other honorblades. 

2 minutes ago, Frustration said:

He took it because of Unmade in Shinovar which the Diagram and Shinovar's broken trade confirm

This still doesn't confirm a timeline. All we prolly know is that Ishar got his blade after Szeth was made Truthless

2 minutes ago, mathiau said:

Sp4

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For a human, creating an avatar like the one we see in the prologue takes a lot of power. Hoid is a duralumin compounder and he still needs for Auxiliary to increase Sigzil's connection to him to manifest one

could this not also be because of the distance involved? True we don't know where Hoid is at the time but distance may play a factor

1 minute ago, Nameless said:

Yeah, but he's also very different from what he was in the books. He outright lies to Gavilar, telling him that he will become a herald. And he ends by telling Gavilar that he won't trust the Kholins again, then immediately goes and bonds Dalinar. I mean, there were a couple years in between Gavilar's death and the beginning of Dalinar's visions, but that's still a pretty big change in opinion. Of course, this could all come from first-draft-itis.

It could be why the SF is so begrudging to Dalinar but yea,This was a weird chapter

Is there going to be a written version released? does anyone know?

1 minute ago, AerionBFII said:

 

Let me first assure you that the element is quite safe. I have found a good home for it. I protect its safety like I protect my own skin - WOK Letter to Frost
 

ahhh,i forgot about this one

4 hours ago, AerionBFII said:

Brandon SP4 Spoiler stream

 

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Hoid looks for ineffable qualities in apprentices or their potential.

Hoid has taught may people in the Cosmere but has 3 main apprentices

Hoid was considering strongly Shallan for an apprentice

Hoid tried to teach Kaladin, but Kaladin refused to listen. He is highly competent in some areas but lacks in others

The 17th shard considers what Hoid did to Nomad an example that he's amonster and needs to be stopped.

Hoid and Nomad held the same Dawnshard.

We have only seen one apprentice so far, meaning Khriss/Shallan/Any major character is not an apprentice

 

 

Does this mean Hoid still has access to the dawnshard he held? Cause it kinda seems like he was able to give him the dawnshard

Could this not also be a Survival kinda Shard? Constantly trying to survive the heat from the sun? Using(at least it seems like it) the investiture of the sun to survive?

I'm also feeling an elsecaller vibe from Aux? The skipping part could be what could happen when a lot of investiture is used to fuel elsecalling. 

On 1/29/2022 at 11:41 AM, CryoZenith said:

She pretty much says it verbatim. Excerpt from RoW chapter 17:

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Dalinar continued to pace. “I cannot see reason in this, Jasnah. The chaos this will cause…”

“Our lives are already in chaos,” Jasnah said. “This is precisely the time to make sweeping changes, when people are already adjusting to a new way of life. The historical data supports this idea.”

 

Damn,i am impressed that you remembered this and knew where to look for it

42 minutes ago, Nameless said:

TLR was overconfident, but he was also smart. His system was designed to keep things under his control. He played the nobles and inquisitors against each other, he used his own reputation to great effect, and was smart enough to implement the soothing stations. Giving permanent control of koloss to inquisitors would probably not be a good idea. Even if he did let them have control over sections of his army for extended periods of time, it would be small sections. Letting them control all of them would be a bad idea.

Regardless of exactly how powerful TLR is, as @HavingTheHasHoidAPurpose? mentioned, using lerasium would be far superior. He had not just one but two leftover beads, and using them to give himself extra power would be infinitely better than giving someone lerasium, then killing them with hemalurgy.

ok,stupid question but why would TLR burning lerasium make him more powerful? He didnt use the beads to make himself a mistborn,rather the power of Preservation itself so wouldnt he be maxed out on that side? Short of using the mists,all he had left was compounding

31 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

In quantum mechanics the means by which electromagnetic forces work are virtual photons. Things like the Casimir force suggest that they are more than a mathematical fiction.

18 minutes ago, Frustration said:

And as Leptons they aren't carriers, you can remove all electrons and the Electromagnetic force will still be the same, but if you remove Photons it will cease to function.

ahhh,we're going quantum mechanics route. that's outside my range,but still i dont see how the manipulation of light via surgebinding can give lightning 

11 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Electrons are leptons not Bosons.

and? 

13 minutes ago, Frustration said:

It's not light but Waves. That's why Lightweavers can make sound.

My point was that light doesnt just move in waves. And point taken,but my point is that manipulation of light doesnt mean you can manipulate lightning cause lightning is potential difference

5 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Light IS electromagnetism, Photons traveling at specific wavelengths.

No,EM radiation(light) is a side effect of electromagnetism

9 minutes ago, Frustration said:

What else is?

Electrons

10 minutes ago, Frustration said:

No they can move as individual particles as well, but they can and do move in waves, and that's enough.

yes,they do,but either way,lightning isnt just that,its more potential difference and light or its manipulation of it(surgebinding wise) can't create lightning,or at least im pretty sure. We're all just guessing here

On 12/20/2021 at 0:21 AM, Frustration said:

All electromagnetism can be traced back to the photon, and photons move in waves, light wavelengths are a result of this and given RoW I see no reason to assume that lightning generation is outside the bounds of Illumination.

explain this cause as far as i know,light is a side effect of electromagnetism,not the other way around. and its not only photons that are responsible for electromagnetism and they dont just move in waves. So im curious as to what you mean