Amanuensis

Look, I wouldn't "have" you do anything if you're village, your job is to vote elims. If you're an elim, your job is to live. So far I see you're very interested in defending yourself but not interested in voting elims

I get busy, but I feel like elims are more likely to pop in and not vote when a villager is in lead for the exe, especially if BBB is also village and no elims were at risk. This does make it extremely likely that BBB and Penguin are unpaired though, and at this point PoE seems to indicate they're not both village

Coder it is, then Since I am #2 in Willshaper (after Joe), the extra vote is mine, right? ED1T: VC colorized with my tentative C3 reads I do personally find it hard to believe Araris, Doc, and I all rolled village, but I am willing to work under that assumption today and vote with them. Coder + KSauce seem unpaired with BBB, but it could be a bussing situation. C+K could also be partners. Penguin and KSauce + TOW seem unpaired but I'll need to look back and see if Penguin actually expects their KSauce vote to go anywhere. This may or may not be my final vote as I have today off and intend to do a few things + participate at EoD. ED2T: TBH I am worried that BBB is another LHF situation like TwinStorm. The big thing that I didn't like from Penguin on C2 was their decision to sit out of the exe because they didn't have time to catch up on the thread. Might just be a Penguin thing, but the wording in particular felt like it was coming from an elim perspective rather than a village one. At the very least, I would expect a villager to put in some effort, like asking for a quick summary of events / votes. In a V/V/V Aman/Araris/Doc world, I could maybe see a Penguin, Coder, KSauce team. That said, both BBB and KSauce aren't active in our doc, so BBB could either be preoccupied in another doc or truly a villager who's tapped out. KSauce, however, is posting, so they don't have that last defense

Yeah, I was just about to edit in an @ that I connected the dots after rereading. I mean, fair enough

Oh, you're back! TBH wasn't expecting you until next cycle, hopefully we can hash out my read of you quick then. This post does help, but I have problems with recency bias, so will probably need more concrete engagement. I am, unfortunately, a human being, and hypocrisy is in our nature curious which bit you're referring specifically tho. Not yet voting? C1 I was attempting to reverse pocket e!Araris so I made sure that other than my initial nonsense vote, I voted alongside him. ATM I'm being more deliberate with my votes, and tbh I won't vote until I see a VC anyway and I'm too lazy to make one right now it's been a long weekend, okay?

I have a long, sordid history of self-voting when my death feels inevitable. Found it very amusing to be on the receiving side of it, and Kas / Drake aren't here, so it felt appropriate to bring in the memes. That said, I don't think we're at that stage quite for you yet, friendo I would genuinely prefer you put your vote to better use Honestly a shame we're not but if I was just meta tunneling you and we are village bros, I will gladly accept your kinship

Spoilered for sensitivity, Trigger Warning: gallows humor (mods please let me know if this isn't ok for the Shard and I will replace it) Okay on a more serious note, if you're village can you, like, vote someone else, thank you

TBH I am very tempted to say this slot is lock town and call it a day ['it' being trying to generate a more thorough read of TOW, that is, not the literal day]

Okay I am home, got a few small errands I need to do around the house. I know Hoid asked me things but will answer later. Based off my vague memories of the questions, I would like to figure out who out of Coder, Penguin, and BBB are most likely not paired with each other, and then probably vote the one that fits on a team with both of the others

I had to use the bathroom so I am back for a minute lol I do try to avoid meta cases and prefer finding more tangible evidence, but at this point we don't have a ton to work with other than PoE (process of elimination). It probably is a bad thing that I would never let Gaia get C1'd, but between me not playing a game with them in ages and having a good rapport with them in our doc, I'd have definitely kept her around a bit longer if I had any say in the matter. There is always a possibility I went hands off with the kills for this exact defense, but that's social deduction games for you Both her and I revealed we were in a doc together, and assuming people believe I am village, it does make a lot of sense for them to try to split up a potential town core being formed early Also this ^ Araris is my homie but sometimes homies got to be enhomies. Even if we have reasons to not trust each other that doesn't mean we have to shut each other out of discussion or escalate into a Thunderdome. Unless we are E/E and playing mind games with y'all, I think all discussion is a net benefit for the village ED1T: One last post before I go, sorry. Honestly I could see Penguin/BBB being teamed regardless of their third so I am pretty comfy with either kill. Might hedge our bets by picking the one Araris doesn't though

My main thing tbh is I want Hoid to be very careful with how much they trust Araris. I am not saying you need to vote him any time soon, but he is definitely one of our best and most reliable deep wolves, so maybe don't let him decide who gets the Windrunner ability just in case Ed1t: I keep forgetting that only one God's power is in play at a time, ignore this until later I guess Ed2t: Actually that is another good case for maybe why Hoid was spared, since they got the Elsecaller power to create a new Court and the elims might've hoped to get in first Ed3t: Is there anyone else under Hoid that we collectively think is most likely village? Ed4t: Okay I should really stop hiding in corners to write these posts, we have an extra staff member today and my boss has been working me to the bone lately, so I've been slacking the guilt is starting to creep up so I will suppress my untimely hyperfixation for another 3 hoursish

Nah we don't have to brawl, I'd rather not, which is why I was following your votes C1 and putting you higher in my reads than you were. I would rather us discuss the other 5 candidates and choose the one that has the most potential, we can always hash this out at Lylo since you are also one of the few players to intentionally keep me alive for late game fear trains

Sorry for that double post, I lost service and had to restart my phone, apparently it sent I do think BBB is a decent shot an elim. I liked his C1 but he fell off fast (and tbh it might have been cause I enjoyed his RP). I unfortunately spilled in today's doc before I caught up on C2 that I was sus of Araris and Hoid Slayer (my initial thought was you had arranged you two to be in Windrunners to gain the Thug ability), but your C2 posting was ridiculously pure The main thing holding me back on BBB is that Araris is pushing him before Doc, and as stated before, I have been operating under an E!Araris world since C1 My first thought was maybe a team of less culturally embedded players, but I generally think it's good game theory to have at least one carry on an elim team rather than a full roster of newer players / unknowns, which meant my immediate second thought as you At least in my case I would be confident in my ability to pocket Gaia and would spare her for that. I would definitely consider Polly on C2 as I detest inactives but not after killing Gaia and especially not while being inactive that cycle myself

The reason you didn't die is because the NKs are Araris' NK profile to a T It began as a meta thing of me assuming 1 of Araris or Doc would be elim since I'm not, which could have led to confirmation bias so I am willing to be talked down. That said, as noted above, that Polly kill reeked of Araris to me from the jump, especially with his response post. I am not super interested in defending myself tbh, so if people think I am worth voting, bring it. There is no world in which I am on a team with a Gaia C1 kill though, whoever did that is brutal The reason you didn't die is because the NKs are Araris' NK profile to a T It began as a meta thing of me assuming 1 of Araris or Doc would be elim since I'm not, which could have led to confirmation bias so I am willing to be talked down. That said, as noted above, that Polly kill reeked of Araris to me from the jump, especially with his response post. I am not super interested in defending myself tbh, so if people think I am worth voting, bring it. There is no world in which I am on a team with a Gaia C1 kill though, whoever did that is brutal

Let's pretend for a couple hours we are both village (I have been operating under the assumption you were evil since C1, sadly you killed both of my original doc mates who can confirm I had a plan to pocket you and feel out your allies instead of thread brawling). The cat is out of the bag now, though, so I am willing to entertain a worldview that both of the most experienced elims rolled village this game Is that a factor at all in your Doc read? I genuinely want to understand your sus of him better, since it feels to me like it only popped up after he had a reason to be inactive

Is it really an SE game with Araris and Aman if we don't end up in a mid / end game thread brawl All this post really tells me is that you have thought about the rules a lot more than me, which I do think is another indication of your evilhood tell me your expectation on C1 elim distribution then? Pure RNG?

Why / why not?

Alright thank you, that is helpful. Interesting that Elsecallers started with 4; I forgot the starting player count so assumed it was 3x4=12 Obviously I don't expect anyone to take the Willshaper doc starting clean with anything more than a grain of salt until I flip, but since I am the last one left, let's maybe list who we think the elim from each Court is mostly likely. Try not to give an easy answer though, deeply consider each one if you can I will go: - Bondsmith: Araris - Elsecaller: BBB or Coder - Stoneward: Penguin or Doc - Willshaper: None but since I'm the only one left, it would have to be me. This is based off my current worldview but I will try to do a full reread and multiple ISOs tonight or tomorrow, since I finally have a day off

Worldhopper Penguin Doc KSauce Coder Araris BBB Araris seemingly unpaired with BBB & Doc (questionable as he knows how to properly distance, it's all about airing suspicions but never cementing your vote on your ally and finding excuses to shoot others first) Worldhopper probably just a low posting villager, is my gut take there Penguin, BBB and Coder all seem overtly sus but I doubt that is the full team and need to figure out how to differentiate them Doc could honestly go either way, I am vaguely reminded of his LG30 play but that was so long ago that he could have evolved/devolved or since I am an old man now I could just have faulty memory. Basically he is just kinda there chiming in with small helpful things and RPing while remaining out of the spotlight KSauce remains a black hole in my gray matter, which I need to fix with an ISO when I have time Someone please start narrowing down pairings for me cause I am short on time and lazy Indeed it would

Oh, can everyone list their starting docs? I was with Gaia and Polly and haven't left Willshapers since lol - At least 1 baddie in starting Bondsmiths - At least 1 baddie in starting Elsecallers - Willshaper doc clean - That leaves Stonewards? You would think that a GM would spread the elims between as many docs as possible but I do suspect one got doubled up for the troll / in order to curb meta analysis Side note, this is why I like color gradient lists

What about Doc and CD read village for you? What about Araris and KSauce read elim? I am guessing TOW is there out of whOmegalol Also why are you indifferent on BBB

Thank you for the quick reply, though I already have you in my town core so hopefully others will chime in soon. Can you explain that bit I quoted quick? The hrms is my way of taking note of something without giving the game away. I am about 90% confident on one elim atm but I am searching for the partners, hence me asking for the info I did Also keep in mind I am mobile posting from work whenever I can steal time away, since I dont want a repeat of my activity C2

Hrm. Hrrrrm Quick everyone list 3 players they trust the most, 3 players they want dead ASAP, and 2 players that you are indifferent on. Ty. (I basically did this with my colorized reads)

Some ideas: - Create a list of each individual player's votes and the duration & severity of the vote / case against them; this can help us determine elim pairings - Start building a town core of people you are not willing to vote and then interrogate the people you don't have reads of until you can form some - Start considering multiple possible worlds (if, then) instead of picking the one you like the most and calling it a day

Reads List (colorized) @Araris Valerian can you explain your Doc and BBB suspicions for me? Does anyone have a read on ThatOneWorldhopper or KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren? They are both floating in the null space of my gray matter but I would lean v!KSauce before v!Worldhopper at this juncture