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oh and also theres Jasnah so four not three

Elhokar also mentions seeing visions of beings similar in description to cryptic. I'm sure there is another thread or two were it has been suggested that he is also a potential radiant.

That would make 5...

Why did the original Knight Radiant break their oaths at Feverstone Keep?

I assumed it was in revolt because their patron heralds broke their own oathpacts by failing to return to their endless torture at the end of the desolation.

The passage of time and other discussions above give good ideas of why they fell from grace in the intervening centuries.

I found the "stretch forth thy hand" a bit jarring too, but the next few sentences more than made up for it.

This is epic fantasy though so of course a lot of the dialogue isn't stuff that you'd use in every day conversation.

What happens when Kaladin says another ideal and is granted his shardplate? "Stretch forth thy body"?

I like the idea Kaladin will be walking towards someone, say the ideal as he is walking, and the plate will coalesce around him from his feet upwards.  Although given the interaction with windspren we have seen when he flies it is more likely to form for the first time as he flies.

Every time Lift mentions her 'awesome' I can't help cringing. Grrrr.

The proof is when certain passages cause the hairs to stand up on the back of your neck on the second ,third (or even tenth  ) read through.  Not many authors can do that.  Mr Sanderson is one of them.

Where is book 3 ??? and still a week to go before shadows of self too...

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The WoB quotes above indicate that most (not all) lighteyes are descendants of those who had "repeated, over time, exposure".

Though from the rather garbled quoted it is difficult what the exposure was to...  I assume Stormlight / other investiture? Do any of the Worldhoppers or Heralds have lighteyes that we know of?

Can you link to the WoB on sDNA. I'd be interested to read them.

Apologies for the spoilers. I'd assumed anyone using the forum would have read all material available whilst waiting for book 3!
Back to the eyes -
@ moogle - Mistborn spoilers:

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I always assumed that light eyes were different from green / blue eyes as opposed to say brown.

Following the recreance the radiants who gave up their shards would be pretty obvious target to the rest of humanity who felt they'd been betrayed if they were still lighteyes...

I've typed this on my phone so apologies for spelling autocorrect has a habit of not recognising cosmere terminology.

Why do so many lighteyes exist in Roshar?

All the 'nobles' in the books are ennobled by the fact that they have light eyes.

Moash's eyes start to change when he bonds his shard blade - Adolin comments it will take a week or so for them to change as he bonds the blade.

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Therefore how is it that a load of rosharans are lighteyed?  It might make a little sense for those who hold a shard blade - although we know that this isn't a true nahel bond as the spren inhabiting the blades are dead. But,how would it explain light eyes amongst the wider (non-shard bearing) population?

I concede that there could be more going on with the eyes than we have been informed yet.

Any theories elsewhere or thoughts?

Adolin can throw his shard blade and command it to stay in place or call it back if it dissolves into mist.

Wouldn't a 'Shardarrow' / 'Shardbolt' work in the same way, fire it from a conventional bow / crossbow and call it back after it punctures your target? This would be instantaneous for a knight radiant. No need for a quiver - think Hank the ranger from Dungeons and Dragons...

 

 

Many guess that the Bondsmiths create Shardplate, and I'm inclined to agree.

Hadn't seen this theory before... Any source for it?

Dalinar has outright been told by the Stormfather that (paraphrasing here) "he will be a radiant without shardS" (emphasis mine). If Bondsmiths 'make' shardplate its not like the Stormfather could forbid it to him.  

As an aside - I'm hope the Stormfathers words might be rescinded in book 5 to allow Dalinar access to an 11th hour superpower.  Although Dalinar might be Overpowered anyway, we still don't know how his surges interact, but its stated in many other threads that his order is always of very limited numbers.

The more popular theory is that shard plate is formed of lower order spren associated with the higher order spren that forms the nahel bond with the knight radiant (e.g. wind spren are lower order spren associated with honour spren etc). Thinking of the wind spren spiralling around Kaladin as he flys (technically falls in a specific direction) after Seth...

As for adhesion we have seen multiple applications - consider the training kaladin does with Rock and others of bridge four in the chasms (as already pointed out above).  Will adhesion progress as Kaladin speaks more oaths?  You mentioned squires - this is 'binding' people together and would seem to be a very powerful ability very much related to adhesion.  Maybe an offshoot of Gravitation is drawing suitable candidates for squires to him - would help explain why Windrunners had more than most other orders...

sorry for lack of references, too tired to look them up now.

It's not that Kaladin CAN'T kill, it's that he can't kill as a 1st resort. If he really wanted to remove Elhokar as king, there was nothing stopping him from breaking into the King's Chambers, grabbing Elhokar, having him tarred and feathered, and then parading him through the camps feathered and in women's dress.

But he's not an Assassin. He can't break into the King's Chambers intending to kill Elhokar out of a need for revenge.

Kaladin can kill as a first resort. The oath makes it clear "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves".  Kaladin can butcher a thousand soldiers / armed aggressor (e.g. parshendi) in order to save one person unable to defend themselves (e.g. Dalinar's troops on the spire in WoK).

I always assumed that the reason his bond with Syl starts to deteriorate is because he is not thinking about protecting anyone and is consumed with gaining revenge on Elhokar - he is unable to convince himself (or Syl) that his actions are protection. As the OP states he was breaking his oath by opting to stand aside by not protecting Elhokar from the planned assassination.

Arguably the majority of Roshar doesn't have much protection from Kaladin anymore (since oath 3) and probably require protection from him but thats where the snake eats its own tail   

As for the topic in the original post - good or bad is a matter of perspective and each order has its own moral compass as codified by the different oaths their radiants swear.  It is questionable whether pattern is in any way concerned with whether Shallan's actions are morally "right" or "wrong". As stated Skybreaker only care that the law is observed. Bondsmiths unite. I don't think we know enough about the other orders to understand their motivations yet.  

Stupid auto-correct doesn't recognise a number of names from the books - prior to edit this post referred to aladdin and dallier.

Its been confirmed by WoB that Adolin's blade was that of an Edgedancer (citation needed).

It follows that resurrecting / restoring ithe blade would require the proto-radiant to swear the oaths of an edge dancer to renew / re-form the Nahel bond with the dead spren in the blade.  Whilst I have no WoB this is conjecture based on the fact that Kaladin swearing the third oath restored / renewed Syl, following her slide back to a lower level of sentience / investiture when Kaladin was struggling with fulfilling his second Windrunner oath to protect.

Therefore IF it is Adolin who restores the blade he would have to swear the oaths of an Edgedancer - by definition he would therefore be an Edgedancer.

Since we already know the second oath of the Edgedancers, as spoken by Lift: " I will remember those who have been forgotten." we could speculate on who in Adolin's life would need to be remembered...

I had not seen that, thanks for the link. Now i kinda want that to be true...

The mention of "shards" in the plural lends credibility to the theory that shard plate is directly related to the nahel bond of the radiant / proto-radiant (e.g. shard plate is composed of lesser spren associated with the KR orders' higher spren) rather than being a fabrial construct as some are suggesting on another thread.

I mean the stormfather ought to know.

More interesting is whether or not Dalinar can converse with the Stormfather as readily as Kaladin & Syl and Shalan & Pattern. The Stormfather could fill in so many gaps in our current understanding, wonder if the Stormfather will hand Dalinar a RAFO?

I will not be a simple sword to you, the storm father warned. I will not come as you call, and you will have to divest yourself of that... monstrosity that you carry. You will be a radiant with no shards.

"it will be what it must"

So highly unlikely on the giant sword front. Given the relative rarity of bondsmiths however his surges might have potent effects.