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Hee :3 Thats fair, I have no reason to expect anyone to trust me lol All i ask for is friends to chat to Though gotta say. Given pms are appearing to not be that popular with folks here, I probably didn't need to push to get max coin so that i had enough to maybe get a red as well as pm freely. Mind you the challenge has been fun, and its been achievable. Maybe my best bet for chatter is the dead doc I was thinking about it. I have thoughts on mist, i'm happy for them to be exe'd. However i do also acknowledge the lack of resistance to that exe choice. I don't know. I know i teased archer on changing their mind on me a bunch but i feel that with mistfallen a bit too. I think my main leading thought had been similar to last loop with them, wonko and archer - i want them exe'd at least once to test. However. Ive been thinking numbers, cause i'm thinking we should in theory be able to process of elimination (literally) work this out and wanted to see what the numbers were looking like. We've lost one loop, which is not great, but that has changed the chances of us hitting elims with our exe. It has gone from a 4 in 16 (25%) chance of us hitting an elim ( look i know its not actually random because we have other factors and reasoning to alter that chance), to a 4 in 13 chance (33%), which may not seem like a big improvement, but its certainly something. I was thinking about what the numbers would look like if we lost again, if that would make it really easy to tell and potentially guarantee the next loops but definitely thats not how the numbers turned out. The pool of people who die, if we assume that no confirmed villagers die, would have a maximum of 1 in 6 chance of being evil (16%), with the people outside the dead pool having a chance of 3 in 7 chance (43%) of being evil. If we win this loop the percentage numbers are much better for us, perhaps unsurprisingly. They have a much better rate of success, especially because the pool of highest percentages is a smaller pool. Much more reasonable for us to work through. Minimum of 2 in 6 elims (33%), max of 4 in 6 (although very unlikely (66%)) could potentially be even better if they miss a nk or get blocked This means outside the pool theres max of 2 in 7 (28%), meaning that just looking at raw numbers theres much more benefit to killing off the people we exe'd the last round. I will note, I don't actually think the elims benefit from rekilling the people from loop 1. If they lose the loop, that significantly narrows the pool of options for us to chose in. If they win the loop there could be some benefit if again we failed to kill any, but i dont think thats going to be the case. Because this isn't just about rolling the dice and raw luck. We have analysis, we can track who voted on who. So long story short, my initial thought of keeping testing in mind is not good, its simply not relevant and a bad idea. And none of this is realistically helpful i don't think. Long story short, i dunno. The numbers get good for us, but not necessarily confirming anything unless other factors impact, like people being confirmed evil or good with mask usage. Ah well was worht a thought. definitely going to keep an eye on thenumbers for the future, but idk if that helps. Current thought is. Mist I just dunno. I felt the need to vote, but simply dunno ------------ Cindra pulled back as she felt something tugging. Did her clothing catch on something of Thistles...? Wait... Her shadow... did it move? What is that? Thistle did say something about their friend liking shadows. She smiled, in that confused way where you don't understand but you smile anyways "Um. Thistle your shadow is tugging on me. I didn't know that's a thing they could do. Is... Um. Hello? Is this the Zymni you were looking for before? How can I help?"
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Fair enough, lets see who i can sell you on then. I'm not particularly good at selling things, i tend to end up the one being sold things i didnt need, so anyways. The vote counts: @Doc12 Why you keep last minute voting? You don't seem sus to me, as in a way, the fact that both times you went for not the current exe target, so potentially not voting on a villager is good, but also, why so late? Theres not much chance to redirect a exe with those so kinda feels a little for the sake of it to me @Divergent your voting also concerns me a little tbh. The first exe that could easily be an elim jumping on a train they know will be village but is the general opinion, (mind you, i'm not looking back at peoples reasoning atm, literally just the votes), and the second one, idk, Hael is an uncertain, it could be an elim voting on elim situation. but hm. Maybe not so much. If hael was evil idk that you'd have been the first to go for them there. honestly idk actually, maybe you're fine. Putting it in the category of watching but dont really know tbh. we dont have anything to go off with ash being villager, they not in that list at all. Coco and mistfallen were in both village exe's. They should reevalute their suspicions and recalibrate that cause thats not a great streak. As i said, i really don't like that Tum was exe'd. Yes they'd been on a lot of peoples watch list, but them asking to die to get money back was really weird to me, but not in a suspicious way. I really don't see an elim having done that when they seemed to be wanting to win the loop with their lack of N1 kill. If we were killing to grant rupees back then someone like mistfallen shouldve been exed- yknow, someone who had been actively using them productively. Tum didn't have many rupees apparently, and the only mask left unclaimed is the bunny, but thats not helpful if you aren't generating the post income, and they didn't spend on pms, so any poverty was from their lack of action in previous cycles. Tum, no offense to you, but you feel like someone the elims would be happy to have in the trust pool compared to the more active Archer, mistfallen, wonko. I know we wanted an elim dead, but i feel like they let us choose between people who would be less problematic to have hard trusted ngl. So for that reason, wonko, araris, TJ, i'm feeling good about, Archer mistfallen and coco I am not feeling good about. We didn't kill mistfallen last loop although his name floated around. But the mask of scents sounding thread comments definitely discouraged any desire to kill them off for me. When we don't have any info, thats helpful information for us to gain. However thats also a good mask to ensure village doesn't get. That being said with only mist and wonko able to get it, im not sure how much elims would try and stop just one player potentially getting it, though it is a good way to gain trust early game. Ngl they are absolutely a player i'd want tested for exe. Coco. What is coco up to. They've not registered to me at all ngl. They're active and present in the exe's but really not on my radar, which concerns me that i simply don't remember what they've done at all. lemme go back through their stuff
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I achieved no mask last loop. It was a big sad. Meant spare coin for some pms tho. Id competed for postmaster and bunny for what its worth Im pretty sure most people can afford reds this loop by my count, and possible that people could afford a purple if they smash out posts today. So im expecting much more in play this loop, which will be good. More ways to get info. Im feeling question marks about mist saying docs def good. The only definitely good folks are the ones who died loop one. Im always hesitant to be so confident on anyone's alignment this early on. To me doc does give village vibes, as he's been communicated about pms, but idk that that confirms anything. Same with hael. As people have pointed out, this outcome was likely given we can track people's post counts. If hael is village, makes sense for elims to let it be, if he is evil, also makes sense for them to let it be- no point making the gap bigger to ensure he survives at the cost of seriously incriminating both hael and whoever manipulated the vote or last minute changes vote. So in a way I feel him being a tie not very indicative. Again though, we know that Tum was village, and also volunteered to be exe’d. Id be more concerned with the people that voted for Tum tbh. You seem to keep changing your mind about me Archer Yeah, i should be voting this is fair. Ngl just didnt feel strongly about anyone during loop 1. Mostly wanted to just see what happens and make more decisions during loop 2 when we have more concrete information to play with. Ill try do proper analysis later today on that, and actually commit to a vote, atm just woken up so just more responding to what I saw in today's thread, big thoughts are a problem for once ive properly started the day. ----- Condra was practising her songs for the carnival performance. She had been getting frustrated with how a scale had been sounding so was playing it on repeat to get a hang of the speed. It was sounding much better, and she even added a trill up the top which scratched an itch in her brain in a satisfying way. The sun was out, the air clean...clean? Her music died on her lips as thoughts of smoke and sounds of screams filled her memories. Did that happen? How... but... the town. Im in town. Its. Whole? That must have been one hell of a nightmare. It felt so real... "Hello there!" Thistles voice snapped her out of her thoughts "Happy Hero's Carnival! My friend Zymni really wanted to meet you!" Cindra blinked. And then blinked again. And suddenly her cheeks were wet. "Thistle! You found them? You're... your okay!" She pulled Thistle into a tight hug, then realised she felt insane and quickly backed off "im sorry... I had this awful dream... I dont know what came over me" she tried to laugh it off. She hesitated again. "Happy to help with anything you need, what was it that you were after? Oh! Also, id been meaning to find you too actually. Id wanted to make some flowers crowns for the performance. Can I come around tomorrow to prepare those?" Tomorrow... no. She had this strong urge to do it today, to do it immediately but that didnt make sense. They should be kept fresh.
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My characters a flautist so I feel you there --- Thistles words resonated strongly with Cindra. Shed been trying to ignore the same feelings herself. She pulled Thistle into a hug. Partially to comfort her, partially to try hold herself together. "Girl im a flute player. I was meant to be performing without a care. Only nervous about a note going wrong, not about whether ill be alive tomorrow!" Home... where even is that now... the town would take months to repair...another thing she had no skills in... "I.." she swallowed "I dont know...there has to be right? Surely the stones will be standing, there would be some walls for shelter... it cant have all been fully destroyed... it may not look the same but... we can always rebuild right? We can even replant your garden together... " she trailed off. Honestly she didn't know what to say. It would never be the same. "We can make it a home again. We have to believe. We will make flowercrowns - im going to hold you to that okay? Even if its out of the wild dandelions in the fields we camped in. We will get through this" we have to.
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"Thank you, I'll do my best. Stay strong!" Cindra was glad that she was able to help even a little. She was definitely going to have to take up training to fight after this was all over though. She felt incredibly grateful to those who had the skills and who were throwing themselves into the fray, fully committing themselves to the fight. She saw Thistle running around giving out all sort of interesting plants. Maybe I could help with those as well? She began to make her way to where Thistle was but then saw her against the wall. Was she hurt? Cindra hurried over quickly "Thistle! Can i get you any potions, water or bandages? I'm.. sure you have your own herbs, but... can I help? Even if its helping you pass things out, you're doing an amazing work, how can I help you?" @Doc12
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Oh im dumb lol this is what i get for trying to read Thread immediately on waking Some rp and im getting more sleep >.> --- Cindra saw Amora get sent flying and quickly rushed over. Ouch that must've hurt. She seemed able to stand at least so maybe she was fine but surely that was going to leave some bruises at minimum "Are you alright? Can I offer you any potions or bandages or water before you go back in?" @coco.pudding
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Hm. It being a tie is interesting. But ties being broken by rupee counts makes that result somewhat predictable given tums low rupee claims and being able to mostly track peoples income. Will have to see how this goes. --------- Cindra felt very unprepared for this situation. She had gotten a crash course in some combat from a friendly guard during the day, but that wasn't going to do that much. She was a flute player. The most she could do with that was to be a pleasant sounding distraction. So she kept back for now, maybe she could help in other ways? She kept watch for anyone who falls. Maybe she could help get them out and get them help.
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my EMPTY IMBOX makes me inclined to believe that. (well not fully empty, thankee allegedly post master doc) fr im mostly kidding, i get it early and pms not that helpful rn, i just wanna chat and vibe so that communication is preestablished prior to any usuful communication being needed, yall alright also thats interesting. Didnt realise postmaster gets to know who send the pms but i guess that makes sense. They are yknow... deliviring...the mail... from one person to the next... oh also while i remember. if i did pm you, and if i pm you in the future, i talked about something at the end of the pm that relates to the game. Ill reference that same thing in my pms in the future so you know its from me. idk if anywon actually would need to send messages that sound like theyre from others but idk could be a strat
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Okay whats happening so far (2) Doc: Archer, Wonko, (1) TJ: Stick, (1) Haelbarde: Divergent, (1) coco: Araris, Okay so a bit of a spread, and not a lot of traction on anything so far. The last cycles votes: (5) Wahrheit: Araris, Mistfallen, coco, TJ, Divergent, (2) Hoid Slayer: Archer, Doc12, (2) Archer: Wonko, Hoid Slayer, (2) Mistfallen: Wahrheit, TUM, (1) Coder: Stick, in the scenario where wahr is evil, that would put sus on anyone who didn't vote for wahr, so Archer, doc, wonko, hoid, Tum, Stick. Stick gets a pass cause they just came in imo. Idk what hoid and tum are doing tbh, if they've done anything significant it hasnt registrered to me in this current moment. Wonko been talky, archer been talky, doc been talky but not as much as wonko and archer iirc, so find it interesting the two talkierst of the list are going for the next option. Ngl its the not knowing what hoid and tum are doing that stands out to me the most. If im thinking trust circle options, wonko archer doc sound great to me, but the other two make me frown more if that makes sense. More then happy to have my pm buddy actually trustworthy for the first time ever lol. Tum wanting to die for rupees sake is interesting. By my count, unless you were actually successful in buying a mask or have been PMing loads, you should be pretty much at 20 rupees anyways or about to over take that through this cycle i think?, so you shouldn't necessarily be gaining loads. Though i suppose with the idea that a second death means you start with 50 was it? could be appealing.... Not a bad idea ngl. You mean id get to spend every penny on pms and then get my pocket money refilled? XD In the scneario where wahr is good. Id be susing those who voted them probably, or possibly more so those who were alternate candid dates. Candid dates? Candidate. but then theres no point for an elim to try moving the votes off a good player, so archer and doc i would feel better about i think. Mistfallens weird but probably good is my current take, if they got what i think, then they are a next loop problem (? Solution? Idk) anyways, they chill right now. and the others who voted wahr also dont stand out to me much rn. Mostly middling activity it hink? tho theyve been decently active, i should read more into them. So thats what, araris coco tj divergent. Cool. yknow. looking at the mess above, im going to pause trying to think, come back to looking at those folks better, throw some rp and maybe just go to bed. Edit: RE:Tum wanting rupees - if i was going to chose someone to die to let them get rupees back, id probably be more so considering players who had the chance to actually spend a lot more coin and who couldve afforded a red mask this loop and so are prolly actually the brokest players. I dont think this is necessarily a sensible thing, but yeah. Maybe a mist exe could be good for them is all i'm saying. xcept i think theyre fine and thus not the best target so nvm --------- Cindra woke up with a headache. She realised that in the fuss, she forgot to drink any water and was probably dehydrated. She should find something to drink. Hydrated brains think more clearly. I wonder if the zimmy? person showed up. She yawned. She'll have to check in with Thistle on that later. In the meantime, she felt incredibly unhelpful. After some thought she found a nearby guard and asked them if they happen to have a moment, could they teach her to fight so that she could do something to help other then seranade the people with flute playing.
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Ngl i was expecting the elims to do their night kill on n3 instead to minimise how much info we get, but i suppose this is a safer approach for them to take i think? Does mean if they get blocked N3 they would have ticked the numbers off. Don't greatly know how I feel about this. This could be them making wahr seem evil by responding with the night kill, this could be them bussing their own just to confuse us with wahr being good this could be them just making the numbers add up. Currently my main thought is that this will be an interesting day to look back on in loop 2 when we know more clearly what's going on, but in the meantime paying attention to how the narrative is being guided by players is the option we got. And its been a busy day for me so any actual consideration time will need to be a tomorrow job @Mistfallen Soldier sorry, i got minimal pms during the day (yall make me sad. Except for the ones i did. You guys are great) so intended to respond to the few i did get during this day cycle instead, especially with night pms meaning imma need to save more money to pm folks if i want to be messaging at both times. So i didnt send any out last night. Sorry to be unhelpful >.>
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Cindra smiled sadly, thinking about all the plans and preparation for the festival. She'd forgotten about the flower crowns. She really had been looking forward to that. She let her hand rest over her pocket, where the warm safflina and swift violet sat crumpled, "There is no thanks needed. Maybe.. Maybe after all this is over, we can revisit those plans. I hope one day soon we can sit over tea again and create beautiful things with all our friends. One day these events will merely be the stories we tell grandchildren as cautionary tales, and not as our current reality. I look forward to that time. I wish you all the best with your search, I'll keep my eye out around here."
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“Hey hey its. Okay. You've been doing the best you can given the circumstances, its going to be okay” well it probably isn't okay, but one has to believe right? Hope is an important thing to have. Cindra put a hand on Thistles shoulder in an attempt to comfort. “You said the name was Zymni? Slow down I can't understand you while you're crying. Breathe. In and out. There you go. Loves shadows you say? Okay, that's something we can work with" certainly makes it hard to see someone though if they're dark skinned and in the shadows so, thats great. "I can help you look absolutely, we can even let others know to keep an eye out. If they aren't from Clocktown then perhaps they are more familiar with travelling and being on the road, so as long as they made it out of town i'm sure they'll be okay, right? Right now we can search the halls, but ultimately all we can do is take care of ourselves. Have you had something to eat? Something to drink?"
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Is the boiling punishment really just them preparing a stew for dinner? _____ As Cindra played, it gave her some comfort to see some of the people around her relax a little more. It was the least she could do, bringing the music from home with them as they sat in a unfamiliar place. Her playing was a little repetitive, she didn't know many songs, but it was better than not having anything as far as she was concerned. Even if her presence and playing was generally not actively noticed, that was okay. She often preferred to be the background noise that people appreciated but didn't directly watch like a performance. She watched the people as she played. Some ate, a lot struggled to, she could relate to that. She knew she should eat but her appetite had long died. As she watched, she noticed Thistle had stood and was looking around frantically. Cindra frowned slightly. She finished the phrase she was playing and moved towards where Thistle was. "Thistle, hey. You doing okay?" she asked, concerned. @Doc12
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Its been an absolute lifetime since we last played, by my count would be lg74 Cannot confirm or deny if I got the postmaster, but can confirm I'm having fun with it being active Even if it does mean i need to post more than usual to make sure i get enough pocket money for stamps >.> Love that we have pms in the night now too. This is going to be terrible for my wallet xD
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Cindra finally let herself relax and little as she sent off the child shed been watching to be with the other children. The Deku palace. She hadn't been here before but was so very grateful to have shelter after yesterdays events. They could sit, they could rest, they could even eat. She wasnt really hungry just yet though, and intended to get some food a little later. Instead she found a seat to the side of the hall and pulled out her flute. While the mood was certainly better than before, there was still this awful tension, there was still the weight of grief. She couldn't fight, but maybe she could at least cheer some people up. She was an entertainer. No matter how grim things get, she should try and keep things optimistic. And so she began to play, playing the same tunes shed play around the markets oh so often. At first it wasnt very confident, she was entirely relying on memory so the notes were not perfect, but they were there, and they were familiar.
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Yay for team ninja'd by the GM! --- Also Stick! Hai! Its been forever, Good to see you, good luck on the catch up of thread! That does make me a bit less sus of Honors ghost then if they genuinely didn't have time, does also mean that theres not much to go off with stick, so definitely a look into later, and probably fine for now i think.
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So if i understand those numbers correctly, that would mean the elims would need to night kill at least one person then to win the loop? So really only need to night kill on night 3. Which won't help us with this loops information at all. Gross. So we would get 3 confirmed villagers in that situation. Not much can be done with dead doc coordination there. Does the N3 kill person even get a chance to see the doc?
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Cindra watched in horror as more disaster hit their community. How is there possibly more that could happen? We lost our homes, friends, families, was that not enough??? She knelt down in fromt of the child now under her care and pressed a deku nuts into their palm "Listen to me carefully. You stay close by me. You make sure you are holding on to me at all times okay? I dont care if its my hand, or my skirt, you stay close. And if we get separated and you are in trouble, you throw this nut as hard as you can at whatever the threat is and you run to anyone safe you can find. And you scream. If you get lost or hurt we can only find you if we can hear you. Okay?" She gave an attempt of a reassuring smile as she brushed the child's hair out of their face. "I need a response, I need to know you understand." Only once they nodded did Cindra stand back up and turn back to the chaos unfolding.
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Okay. Vibes listing time. Most will probably be neutral cause i don’t feel there's lots to go off yet. But i did say i would try share my current thoughts. With the lower activity players, id be looking at them more for a loop 2 exe. Certainly would prefer to be able to get some information from posts on those we kill for future analysis, but if the inactivity stays consistent then that's a concern. Again i think mistfallens point about maybe prioritising the could be evil but theyd be great in the dead doc people for D3 is a good one. As I said in my earlier post obviously the goal is to kill elims asap. I’m just being mindful of what happens if we don’t. Okay im running out of steam and need to go do life for a bit. This is too many words >.> I dont know who i’m most sus of. I’m wary of the low activity players because lurking is hard to read, but that doesn’t mean they’re evil. I’m wary of the talky players cause if they’re evil they gonna be a big problem for us but also theyre helpful if we get them cleared. Ideally they get night killed. That would be best case i think. Cause then regardless of the loop win or loss, they’re probably chill. So who i’m actually most sus of then is probably people i’ve been saying village lean, the middling activity players who nothing stands out about >.> I’ll also note, I don’t see a mask list. Does this mean that if any mask is purchased in the night we won’t ever know? Oh I’ll also note since i realise i’m not known to all of you - I’m australian, so im mostly likely to be on in the hours around roll over. So yes, last minute posts cause i want money while i’ve got the time to farm for it, but also those are the hours where i’m most likely going to be on. That's my afternoon, so yall gotta wait for me to wake up enough to think before i’m likely to be posting. Also probably going to not have big posts like this often, especially not during week days >.> If i’m called in for work this aint happening cause this took me hours to process through and i have life to get back to now. yall are prolly just getting rp for the next bit just saying Also some more questions for @Amanuensis: - do the letters of the executed person get sent out still? - I presume if the postman is executed the mail doesnt get sent out? Do we get refunded? Would it just be sent at a later date when postman reopens shop? - Does sending a message to someone count as targeting them? Edit: Ew thats a long post.
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Well thats an interesting start, and not particularly helpful for us. Was hoping to be able to focus reads based off the NK but the first death will be this exe then. So, elims want to win, and are limiting the pool of dead people for if they succeed is what i'm gathering. So. Hm. We want to exe elims of course, but I think we also want to be mindful of who we could be potentially having as a confirmed good player, because those players I would expect to start recieving a lot of information from people in the next loop. I certainly know that If I needed to tell someone in a pm about something a mask i had did, those would be who i'd contact, so Id want them to be people who are active, and able to communicate to thread what's going on and potentially lead exe's and manage all the incoming communication. So i'd be happy with people like Wonko and Archer to be going in for that. Potentially even both in case future loops they are picked off by elims immediately to stop the information being passed on. The smaller the trust circle, the easier it is for them to try control. If I was to pick my ideal trust circle, I'd have one of those two players, and someone good at/enjoys pm communications, like myself, Mistfallen (at least i think you do, since you seemed keen on postmaster, don't actually personally know how you play ) or Doc. Probably Araris too - I can never read Araris and they always seem to be some sort of quietly absurdly powerful that are super helpful or deadly especially late game. Someone who can help lead from the front, and someone who can help behind scenes. Thinky and chatty folks. Though, the pm situation is not really like what i'm used to so wont have the same level of utilization that I would like. So possibly more so the thinky people. Hael? So. I'll be thinking about not so much who I think is the evillest, but more so out of the potentially evil options, who do i really hope to be actually good the most. Time to go reread posts and try pick up some vibes. I've been mostly just focusing on mechanics and rp at this stage while the game information was limited, so i'll try share reads a bit later on. And yes i know i was trying to get more coin end of cycle How else am i going to send my invitations out for a performance thats totally happening soon in the totally fine town! A girl needs money for stamps!
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They made it to the South Gate. The town looked unrecognizable at this point. The clock tower shuddered as it continued to tick, the sound now feeling like impending doom rather than the comfort of consistency. Bunting blackened and blowing across the ground. Screams, crying, muffled whimpers as children clung to those around them as the crowd pushed and surged to the gate. Flute and flower held tightly to her chest, her now only belongings, she joined them. How could so much change in such little time? Did they even have time to get out of this? Time to fix this? The moon. She dared not look at it. There was enough going wrong as it is. The moon was normal. Absolutely normal. Everything was going to be fine. It must be. Because if it was not, there was no great hero this time, and we would run out of time. No. We had time to get to the gates, we have time to get to safety. "Everyone make sure to not push each other! Make sure no one falls down!" There was not time to help the town right now, but the citizens still could be helped. She grabbed the hand of a nearby child who had gotten knocked over in the rush and kept them standing, kept them close. Breathing already felt hard with smoke and panic. Getting crushed in a crowd would help no one. We will get through this. We must.
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Cindra was grateful to see Thistle and have a friend to stick with. "Are you sure it will be safe there?" She shouted through the chaos "what if the fires reach it? We should get out of town while we can!" As they moved they passed by her own home. Well. What had been her home. My books... No! My sheet music! She realized in dismay as her treasured collection was gone. Songs that she'd only vaguely learnt would now never be finished. She hadn't been in the habit of memorizing everything either. She glance away from her home to see Thistle run into her shop. The whistle blew. In a way it was a comfort to hear a sound of authority as the commanders voice cut through the chaos. Did Thistle hear it though? Clutching the Swift Violet and her flute, Cindra ran in Thistles store. It was a beautiful place. Cindra always loved to visit. The aroma of flowers was a stark contrast to the acrid smoke that had been filling the air. She saw Thistle packing, and Amora helping. As much as we didn't really have time to pack, these flowers, and particularly the functional herbs Thistle had cultivated, may suddenly be vital for survival if we have nothing else. She hovered by the door, watching outside to make sure its still safe. But the fires were so close. As Amora started pulling Thistle out, Cindra flashed them a grateful smile and held the door open for them. "Cmon guys we need to hurry, we need to get to the South gate before its too late!"
