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all Taravangian has to do to get out of the contract is to stop being Odium.

Is this even possible?
 

22 hours ago, Atlas said:

Hi everyone, I had to sign up to make this post since it's something that's been bothering me a whole lot, and that's our dear Shallan Davar.

 

In the first book, she was alright. I actually enjoyed her studying with Jasnah and all the spooky stuff that happened with Pattern. But by the second book, everything started going downhill so fast. By the time the split persona thing started coming out, it was too late. I absolutely despise Veil, she's such a tiresome character and is essentially just Shallan's powerfantasy (that has plot armor and cannot fail, of course).

In RoW, I get actual physical cringe from reading her chapters. The personalities "taking her over", and other characters having to deal with that to not offend her is just so awkward. Poor Adolin, he was my favorite character in the series but now he's just delegated to a body pillow for Shallan.

I won't even dare hope that she gets killed somehow, since apparently she can just casually take a crossbow bolt to the head and shrug it off, thanks to her super awesome radiant powers. This ties into another major gripe I've been dealing with in Stormlight - how there's just no stakes anymore. Everything's so meta, the world doesn't feel nearly as real and intriguing as before. I suppose nothing good ever lasts though.

Personally I'm least interested in Shallan's POV mainly because of what's her problem which is basically multiple personality disorder or something similar. Unlike Kal's POV which tackles depression and Dalinar's which is becoming better (?), I am much more familiar in their situation. Shallan is... kind of weird when I read her part, and the "Taking her over" situations are really confusing for me to understand it since I am not sure how these things work.

Just now, Ruin's Scariest Koloss said:

Wasn't that the whole point though? The Sibling didn't want to bond anyone, and once it was apparent they would have to in order to survive, they chose Rlain. The Sibling is the first spren we've really seen form the bond out of pure desperation.

Ah, I can see your point since it was a desperate moment and they went to Bond just to survive. But still, my point is that I was disappointed since I was hoping it would have been Dabbid or Rlain. Oh well.

I agree that only Windrunners are capable of "lending" the Shardplate or parts of it to someone for protection part. Since they are Windsprens, they could move about very fast. This could mean that there are other capabilities of Shardplates per Order. Also the always wearing part is quite the same to Shardblades. Since they basically "bonded" non Radiant sprens for Shardplate almost the same but not entirely to bonding a Radiant Spren for a Shardblade.

I agree that making Navani the bondsmith is a disappointing part. I was hoping Dabbid would be the one who will bond the Sibling since he was the first contact and he is not a Radiant. Also Navani and the Sibling contradicts each other since the Sibling doesn't want the spren to be "used" like what Navani is doing in her projects.

Just now, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Or he arranges a situation where his Champion is attacked by either side.

Possible, how do they draw a line to the "SIDE" part too. There is too much grey area right now.

On 11/21/2020 at 10:06 PM, CROSSENuUP said:

I personally think that the contest of champions will end in a TIE. I believe that Taravangian will see this loophole within the rules and will try to force a tie. Since a tie is not mentioned in the contract, it will probably void the contract and allow Odium to leave the system. This is foreshadowed with Hoid mentioning ties in his gambling tale. Thoughts?

I totally agree that Odium will go for a Tie. Since by Winning and Losing for him would hold him in Roshar and he very much wanted to be free from it to "Save all humanity" (which means humanity in all of Cosmere).

The terms are these:
1. "A contest of Champions to the death."  - This is Mr. T's Key. What if there would be a way for one Champion to not be able to kill the other one? Or both? This will make it Draw. Remember, Champion is not tied to a Human or a Singer... a Champion could be SOMETHING ELSE entirely. This is not in the terms what A Champion could be.

2. "A willing Champion, . . ." Now, this part is separate sentence from the first one which is the contest to the death BUT, I very much think that this is still tied to it. Other than willing to be Champion and become the key to the future of Roshar and maybe Cosmere too, Champions SHOULD be willing to kill the other one. Remember that prophecy or rattle regarding killing a kid? Yeah what if the Champion don't want to kill a kid? This is a bit stretch but still a point to a loophole.

3. "At top of Urithiru and unharmed by either sides". Okay, not showing is lose by default. Unharmed by EITHER side? What if there is a third party?

Mr. T. the fresh Odium will force a Tie one way or another.

11 hours ago, Argent said:

So. Big news, huh? 

Instead of writing several pages, I am just going with what I think - some of which is inspired by people like @Windrunner's ideas.

I think the four Dawnshards are:

• Creation - something from nothing
• Destruction - something into nothing
• Change - something into something else
• Statis  - something... and then still something

Brandon just dropped an annotation for this book, and apparently Hoid was a Dawnshard at one point (!). His immortality seems consistent with the Statis Dawnshard. Rysn's is obviously Change.

Also, I think of the Dawnshards as kind of proto-Shards or pseudo-Shards, and during the Shattered of Adonalsium, the resulting 16 Shards were somehow influenced by the Dawnshards, resulting in the Intents we (mostly) now know.

Okay, I am done, back to freaking out!

I'm not sure about the Destruction part and possibly the Creation as well since:

" The four primal Commands that created all things "

Created all things. It could mean that only creation base stuff only. Ruin and other 'destructive' Shards fall unto Change I think or something similar Command.

57 minutes ago, paperstones said:

And that is probably why they said she can’t bond a Spren. It would give her part of a “deity” and alllw her access to the power. Or at least that is how I took it.

Yes, that's right, I'm looking it the same way, possibly this could also what destroyed Ashyn in the first place. Uncontrolled god power.

7 hours ago, Eternal Khol said:

They do?!

" To make such Commands, one must have the reasoning—the breadth of understanding—of a deity "

Yes, it seems to me that to fully use a Dawnshard or a Command, one must be a Vessel. Or something along that line.

I think 'Curiosityspren' is more of a 'Willshaper' kind of thing spren rather than Dustbringers'.

IMO 'Valorspren' is much more like it since their primary divine thing is bravery. They would look like 'Flamespren' for their soulcasting property is 'Fire'. 
 

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val·or

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1. great courage in the face of danger, especially in battle.

Hi guys, just a random thought, this is purely theoretical but I think it's something..

What if Dalinar saw at the vision was not just 'Odium's champion' and the 'Unmade' but the Heralds their selves? Think about it...

1. If I remember correctly the vision was supposed to be Honor's version of worst possible outcome. (Correct me on this if I'm wrong) What if Honor's worst nightmare would be the total corruption of his Heralds turned as Odium's other than True Desolation itself?

2. Stormfather didn't actually saw the last part, meaning he is dependent on Dalinar's description, I agree on the first one that would be 'Odium' the golden, terrible light, though I am not sure about the 'Heat' part, this could be important. Then he said 'Nine Shadows', maybe, just maybe SF misinterpreted this knowing that there are 9 Unmade coincidentally thinking it was them but it could also point to the other 9 Heralds that turned their backs on their Oaths. (This one's important)

3. Since the Herald's are not honourable any more (Oath breaking) they could be already being lead by Odium and they didn't even know it. 

4. "He saw something terribly familiar in them." What comes to mind about who would be Big O's Champion is someone Dalinar already met, sons, friends, enemies. If memory serves right I think Dalinar and Taln already met (Correct me on this). If not, it's not familiarity of the eyes but the emotion within the eye is what he's seeing, like looking at a madman or something, Taln quite fall under this one too. 

5. It is also possible it would be Taln because Honor does know what his Heralds look like right?

I may be just over thinking this though. 

Hello "A new guy" did you enjoy your lonesome travels?

what Sanderson books have you read, which are your favorites.

Actually, I did enjoy my travels, but now I seek for a deeper knowledge when I learned that sanderson's books are connected, I just felt I wanted to know more...

I read mistborn (trilogy), I have a copy of the fourth book 'alloy of law' but I still did not started reading it yet.

I enjoyed reading WoK and WoR, and for me this is my favorite.

I also read 'warbreaker' and 'emperor's soul' both are also good in their own way.

I have a copy of elantris but... I stopped reading it. and I'm currently re reading WoK before I go to elantris. is this wise?

Long it has been since I wonder alone the Cosmere...

Through planets and the void I search for answers...

Finally! I found a place where wisdom and knowledge is a plenty...

Greetings fellow travelers, seekers, and lore-masters!

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