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I think I've got it, just needed something more or less analagous from the real world to compare it to. for right now, I'm imagining something like electromagnets (and deliberately not doing research to see if they actually work the way I am thinking) aligned so that they are repelling each other. When you let the electricity flow, and the magnetism kicks in, the push away from each other with equal force. if one of them is much more massive than the other, or braced against somethign much more massive, then the smaller one is the one that is going to move.

Seems to, but I'll have to look it over again when I'm not about to go to sleep to make sure I understood it correctly/have time to think it over and come up with any questions. If I'm reading it right, you're basically saying that the extra weight/mass isn't increasing his push, just increasing his resistance to the push

Thanks. I remember them replenishing both the burned metal and duralumin a lot, so I'll have to take a look at that scene for comparison.

Ahh, you're right. then again, the person who had originally asked about new things mentioned that they hadn't played since original ravnica. Pretty sure innistrad is where Fight first gets introduced, so thats a few years after they stopped also, i competely didnt realize that innistrad was 2 years ago. I feel old now

Does it not use itself up? A lot of the time when they burn duralumin, then drink a vial of metals the books specify that they need to replenish their duralumin. Maybe I'm just missing somethign that is in the annotations or some such, but I got the impression that the duralumins and the other metal both burned up entirely.

I seem to recall on of the benefits that Wax had, as a crasher, is that at higher weights he could push harder. It's possible i just assumed that, however, I'd have to go back and check.

My inclination is to agree with moogle on this. Elend is more efficiently using the investiture that he has than Vin would be. so after looking at the other thread you linked to I would put it this way: Elend is burning his metals at the same rate as anyone else, and the power he gets from them is the same, but his ability to use that power is enhanced. So maybe for a Vin 1 gram of Pewter equates to 1 arbitrary unit of investiture, which equates to a 100% increase in physical ability for 10 minutes (all numbers here pretty much arbitrary for example purposes). I would say that for Elend, that same gram of pewter gets the same 1au of investiture, but might give a 150% increase in physical ability for 10 minutes. my second inclination is that, if that isnt right, then i expect that Elend is drawing more power for the same amount of metal: 1g pewter equates to 1.5 au investiture and thus to 150% increase of physical ability for 10 minutes. I think the least likely thing is that he is actually burning through his metals faster: 1 g pewter gives 1.5 au investiture equating to 150% increase but over 6.66 minutes, instead of 10. I think this least likely because it seems to me that it would have been mentioned in the book if Elend was actually burning metals faster than vin was. also a side track question that occurred to me while I was typing this up: the force produced by burning steel is proportional to mass right (or at least increases as the coinshot/mistborn's mass increases)? given this, does a person's mass change the rate at which they burn through metals (well at least iron and steel)? For example, assume kelsier is 2x vins mass. if vin does a regular push (not particularly controlled, but not flared either) she produces some force, if Kelsier does the same, he produces twice the force (from twice the mass), so does he also burn twice the steel? or is he using it twice as efficiently? or something else entirely?

That whole mistborn thread above reminded me of a question I had: when doing a duralumin burn with another metal, say steel, how much does the amount of duralumin in your body affect the final strength of the burn? what about the amount of steel? (if you want to/have time to get sligthly more technical, ask abotu doubling the amount of duralumin or steel or both)

No, "Fight" is a new keyword. Basically you have to pick 2 creatures, usually one you control and one you dont, but the card/ability will specify, and they fight each other, which means something like "each creature deals damage equal to its power to the other creature" this is somethign that is a spell or ability, independent of combat, and ignoring abilities like first strike or double strike. oh, another keyword they may have added: reach (can block as though it had flying)

Well, one thing to consider is that the non-face cards don't really need to be anything. in most decks of cards I have seen (including tarot), they are just a collection of symbols, and the face cards are the ones with actual images on them; at most, I would say let the symbols be generic images, rather than specific people. I do like the idea of switching out suits, I was thinking along those lines this afternoon at work. I really like the idea of spren as a suit, most of the low cards could have just images of a bunch of spren (e.g. a 2 migth have a couple of painspren, a three might have a triad of flamespren, a ten migth be a flock of windspren, etc, with the correct number of spren on each of the cards). For the face cards, I would say use the named spren we have seen, maybe patter - jack, syl - queen, nightwatcher - king, stormfather - ace. For other suits, the parshendi forms would probably be a good one, assuming we've seen enough forms to make it happen, with the named parshendi characters being the face cards (eshonai as the ace). Maybe a suit of just Alethi with Elhokar at king, I guess, and Dalinar at ace, and different callings at different number cards depending on how vorinism regards them. I had a fourth suit, but it escapes me right now.

He has joined an organization called the skybreakers with a man calling himself Nalan/Nin at their head. While this is suggestive, it is not 100% conclusive of anything, especially not Szeth's ability to ingest stormlight and/or surgebind (note that we don't see a highspren for him after he joins, so no evidence of an actual nahel bond). and I brought up seth's abilities after dropping the honorblade because you used the word "stronger", the comparative form. we only have one point of comparison (szeth to Kaladin) for his strength, and that is very well covered in the books and by WoB. but a theoretical second data point that we might be able to establish once book 3 is out could be whether he was stronger with it than without.

Well we don't really know what Szeth can do after droppign the honorblade, for instance we don't even know if his abilities would continue to manifest, or if they are gone with the blade (my assummption), so the only thing to test against is Kaladin, and Moogle has that covered

My gut says aces should be radiants (plus szeth) and kings should be...well kings. Actually, are there 4 named kings? I'm only coming up with 2, 3 if you count Gavilar, but that is juts off the top of my head. If that doesn't work then the A=Heralds, K=Radiants (K for Knights, maybe) could work My main problem wiht your list, or at least the one that strikes me first: while it might work for WoK, once you factor in events from WoR, it doesn't make sense for Kaladin to rank so low. also, switch 3 and 4, maybe? bridgemen were slaves, darkeyes outrank them. This definitely looks like a fun idea, and if not for the fact that I should have been asleep an hour ago, I'd try to come up with a more solid counter proposal for some of those things.

Do you mean when he is actually wielding it, as opposed to using his surgebinding without summoning the blade? I don't think I would draw that conclusion from any of his scenes. And since he tends to rely heavily on surgebinding when he doesn't have the blade out, I think it is something that would have been noticeable in the books. Unless I am misunderstanding your question...?

Which would make it all the more surprising for your enemies!

Seems to me, then, that if you had enough inquisitors, pulling in the right direction on those lines, you would probably succeed. Basically I think this, inquisitors or other skilled lurchers seeing lines but being too weak to affect them, is what most closely resembles the example of multiple soothers controling the koloss. that said, in Alloy of Law, Wax has the ability to create a kind of general repuling field around him that doesn't target any metal until it comes in range, so going by that example, a bunch of lurchers might be able to do something similar, and if they all pulled in roughly the same direction, it migth work out.

I'm pretty sure the book establishes that Elend tends to be stronger than Vin at comparable things. I forget if the Lerasium bead is cited as the reason in the books or not, but I'm reasonably sure it is in a WoB somewhere.

If Warbreaker was too much, then the OP should avoid KingKiller chronicle, I don't recall the first book being too bad about it (though I'd have to reread to be sure) but the second book has been heavily criticized for a having what most people felt was an unnecessarily long and explicit sequence in it about halfway through. Maybe try the runelords books by David Farland? It's been some time since I read them, btu I don't think they were too explicit. The DeathGate books by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman are pretty good about that too, I think. Maybe double check those before diving into them though, in case I am forgettign any details. Wheel of Time is usually pretty good about it, but there are a few scenes that you may be a bit uncomfortable with. fewer of them in in that entire series than any single Song of Ice and Fire book, though. The rest of Sanderson's books that I have read (all the Cosmere books) are pretty good about this too.

In Marsh's fight with Sazed in WoA, he pushes a bunch of metalminds into Sazed's chest. I don't think we have a good indication of exactly how Marsh's steelpush strength would compare to an average allomancer from that time, but it seems likely that if he can push invested metalminds hard enough to embed them into Sazed's skin, then a normal coinshot could probably push on them without expending too too much extra effort. for what it's worth this WoB lists a charged metalmind as being moderately hard to push on. harder than a hemalurgic spike, btu easier than a shardblade: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1047#12

Someone upthread pulled out the quote, btu Szeth mentions in the book that wearing plate would interfere with his abilities. or possibly that the abilities would interfere with the plate. either way, it is in the books (WoK, specifically, I think)

I'd also note that, of that small percentage who have the ability and opportunity to learn that metalminds are harder to push/pull on, many of them may not actually notice, or may not make the connection between the object being a metalmind and it being harder to affect. They might just assume that there is something else that is making it harder. maybe the person whose metalmind it is is heavier than they look, or something. Basically short of being a coinshot/lurcher scientist, a person might not actually make the full connection.

well, but presumably most people in that world aren't aware that investiture makes things harder to affect. maybe by the time of the final mistborn series...

Seconded. If this is something that a Ferruchemist thought they wanted to do, then it should be possible to make the body of the gun separate from the firing chamber. This way you could have whatever metal you wanted for use as a metalmind, with whatever metal the gunsmith wanted for use in the firing chamber, then just attach them together.

Just wanted to add a confirmation to this. I skimmed through some of the later chapters in the book, and Push definitely does push against Vindication (~p 323 in my copy)

Interesting idea. I wonder if a command like "divide..." is possible, though. Is there any instance of a character using it in book?