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Common rooms? There's a Shardpool at Hogwarts??

Is there anyway to add a third quote button, one with each functionality? Sometimes it's useful, for WoBs and such that get nested and lost when you try to quote, but as has already been mentioned, this forum is infested with textwall spren and stacked quotes isn't helping.

Thanks Weiry. I hadn't found time yet to go searching for the stuff I wanted to refute this We know that there are spren of Cultivation and Honor and also that there were Adonalsium spren on Roshar before Cultivation and Honor arrived. WoBs: This is a pre-WoR WoB, and it's not super clear, but definitely there are both Honor and Cultivation or mixed spren. This doesn't particularly confirm anything, but it doesn't refute the Honor/Cultivation combined spren-ness either And finally: So my recap: Honor was alive when the Heralds were around, therefore my statement about Honorblades perhaps changing due to his splintering is still valid until otherwise disproven Syl does indeed say she is a little piece of a god in WoK - but also in WoR that the Honorblades were pieces of Honor: And Pattern confirms that there were fewer spren before the Recreance than there are now, so I definitely agree that the splintering has created more spren, but not ALL the spren. I personally think this means that Honor's shattering was Post-Recreance, but to my knowledge, we've never been able to get a confirmation as to which of those two events happened first. (someone feel free to pull out an obscure WoB here.....) As to Odium giving up some of his power to shatter Honor - doesn't seem like the sort of thing Odium would be willing to do, since he seems pretty intent on the entire Cosmere, not just Roshar.

We see Vasher doing several things in Warbreaker with Nightblood drawn that he cannot do his his own. (vaporize lifeless and a giant circle in the ceiling, for starters). You could argue that that's just Nightblood, but I could also argue that Kaladin's powers are just Syl. No Syl, no windrunning. No Nightblood, no vaporizing. Yes, Vasher has abilities of his own due to being Returned, and yes Nightblood is separate, but drawing Nightblood grants new powers, just like bonding a spren does.

I'd say at this point, from a relational perspective, Nightblood IS his spren. That's what the "live" shardblades are, after all, sentient bits of power that came from shards. He's just of a different shard. I also doubt he'll grant access to Roshar's surges without some finagling by somebody who knows more about such things than Szeth, if it's even possible, but that doesn't mean Szeth wielding him won't gain some powers in his own right. The one brief time we saw Vasher actually unsheath him, he goes far beyond Vasher's normal capabilities. Stormlight's a little less hard to come by than Nightblood's homeworld investiture, so Szeth may have opportunity to do a little more exploring of what the sword can do than what we've seen thus far as well, which is a scary thought. On the "if Darkness is Nalan" then it's interesting that there's two dark-skinned men running around, each with a pale cheek scar

There's an in-book description of passion spren, which amusingly enough are described as "tiny flakes of crystalline snow"..... I'm going to assume there was an inspiration there somewhere..... Sleepspren - shaped like sheep of course, not that anyone on Roshar would recognize them Frustration spren - These randomly bang themselves against hard objects

I wonder if there's any way to de-spike (rehabilitate) hemalurgists without killing them. Perhaps some of them can be made to realize the error of walking the dark path of magic thievery.......

I like the colors theory. Especially in relation to gemstones. I'll have to pay more attention to this next time through. There's a WoB that the colors of Alethi wines is a cultural thing for what it's worth. My opinion is that Tozbek was a connection from before her father's "risky business" simply because if he was involved in said risky business, he'd know the Ghostbloods, and I doubt the whole let's-kill-the-whole-ship's-crew incident would have happened the way it did in WoR if that were the case. My guess would be he's just a merchant that they'd dealt with for a long time that had always treated them fairly. Etymology on Roshar is an interest of mine for sure. I hope we get to see more of it. We do know that the Shin language in general has a lot of "sh" sounds. They also appear to be the only culture mentioned to not have epicanthical folds, which is interesting in and of itself. Same thing with the Thaylen language. (now I'm trying to remember if the frostlands map that's in Thaylen was transliterated English or literal Thaylen....). Blustering is another good catch, I never noticed that one before. I thought the one interesting thing about Shallan's fabricating was that she speaks like that's something she's done her whole life. Something that Pattern might have been drawn to. I've always thought that the Natanatans were Aimian hybrids. The Aimians are described as having blue skin as well, I believe. I don't know that anyone's ever asked Brandon about that, although we know that Horneaters, Herdazians, and Vedens have some Parshendi blood. I personally think that Voidbringers has become a catch-all term for any bad thing that appears during a desolation. (and my personal theory, like yours, is that they're all involved with some kind of funky corrupted spren, although I wouldn't go so far as to say that it needs to be sentient - the rock in the Purelake vision that gets animated into a thunderclast seems pretty non-sentient) There's already some good Shardblade/Honorblade correlations, so I won't get into that myself, but another note is that "If their owners had died, they would have disappeared" and yet.... Szeth's honorblade APPEARS when he dies. So obviously, its "owner" is not Szeth - it's still Jezrien somehow and Szeth has bonded to it in some different way that's not "owning" it. I've always been curious as to how he can dismiss and summon a blade that doesn't technically belong to him. Apparently some sort of bond, since Nalan tells him the bond with the blade was broken. Are the Honorblades no longer "completely functional" since the Heralds abandoned them? Or if a Herald picked up his correct blade, would it work like it should? (has anyone ever asked Brandon this??) if one of the Heralds currently on Roshar, (ie Nalan) were to die, would him and his blade disappear?? A second theory of mine that I haven't heard bandied about as much, is that perhaps, since Honor is alive the first time we're given Honorblade descriptions, and now he's not, perhaps the blades changed with his death - we saw how the glow faded from the Shardblades in Dalinar's vision when the spren died. I don't think we know enough to know for sure what's going on, but I think we can say with certainty that Szeth either doesn't know how, or is incapable of using his Honorblade in the same way that a Herald would have. Whether or not that's why it looks different, I don't know, but I think it could be.

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Perhaps. I am fond of theories, although all mine are currently incomplete due to lack of research time. I don't role play however, but watching you guys do it can be entertaining. Maybe I can be the conservationist voice for all the poor non-invested natural lifeforms on various planets. Is it really right to Awaken dead squirrels? What if they don't wish to be zombies and bite Returned? And I'd definitely be interested in anti-hemalurgic weaponry.......this evil power thieving must not be allowed to continue to spread!

Welcome! I definitely recommend the Stormlight Archive. It's by far my favorite though, so I'm biased. Glad to see you around and welcome to the insanity

Understood I agree that he's a good radiant candidate, and as I posted on the reread, I would love to hear him say the first oath with his stereotypical irreverence/snark. I read the quote about capricious as many people would think that about members of that order, but I can see your interpretation also. I think it's interesting that in reality, Sebarial is not actually most of those things to people that really know him but appears that way to everyone else. I just think it fits him better than any other order, but that of course, is personal opinion. Now I'm going to nitpick Not the entire Alethi army, merely the one who lost their Highprince (Roion). and of course his own (which is actually being led by someone assigned by Dalinar). Aladar does his own, as does Dalinar. And he doesn't do it personally, as I think a bondsmith would have done, but rather assigns people to do it while he watches from the background, as is his style. Hence him lounging and eating grapes. As to the Herdazians, it also says that the Herdazians "didn't pay much attention to that" which tells me that they don't really care who's camp it's in, they just stick together. Probably wouldn't be able to get away with it in Dalinar's warcamp, which is much more regulated, but any of the more lax ones would probably be just fine. And we know Sebarial is quite tolerant of things outside "normal Alethi culture" But I don't think he encouraged them to set up Little Herdaz there. As for Bondsmiths being unifying in nature, it is their oath: To me, this is the biggest knock against Sebarial being a Bondsmith - we have multiple examples of him keeping people at arms length, intentionally antagonizing, and generally being aggravating - not things that usually contribute to unity. He likes to do things purely for shock value as well. But I do think that the fact that he's a good person hidden under all that snark and that he voluntarily shows up to go on the expedition with Dalinar....he's got a lot of positive things going for him. I can easily see him being a Radiant, although at this point we know nothing of his past.

Yes, the spren are a mix of Honor and Cultivation, and there were also Adonalsium spren in existence. And there were obviously spren when both Honor and Cultivation were both still intact, otherwise we wouldn't have had the Radiants. We do know however, that there are more spren now than there were Pre-Recreance. Which is interesting - would it be better to have fewer spren/intact Honor, or more spren with minds (and therefore the potential for more windrunners/other orders) and shattered Honor? Perhaps Honor is a power that is more limited when subjected to a single shardholder's interpretation, as opposed to the interpretation of multiple Knights bonded to honorspren? I'm leaning towards having more Knights....assuming we don't get a second Recreance.

Were you on the TOR Re-read? We had a Sebarial-is-a-proto-Radiant debate a week or two ago. I definitely think it has merit, especially given that he obviously isn't conforming to Alethi social structure. (He has a dark-eyed mistress, for starters) So he's at the very least, not hung up on what a lot of people are considering important and judging people based on who, not what, they are. I don't know about Bondsmiths, their oaths appear to be about uniting, and Sebarial's not what I'd consider a unifying force, at this point. I've been thinking willshapers because this quote seems to describe him to a T: He's definitely enterprising - look at all he's set up economically in the warcamps. And everyone else would certainly describe him as capricious, frustrating, and unreliable. I don't know about love of adventure, but certainly novelty or oddity.

I must say, this entire thread reminds me of exactly why I like Jasnah. And why we're both single.....

Definitely less eloquent, at least. I'd say no to the hemalurgy and animals. But that could be my bias against the gruesome brutality and thieving nature of the hemalurgic system. Do not the animals have a right to live free of spikes? And the stick plants as well?

Nah, everyone knows Nightblood is going to be the one to destroy Odium. All by himself. While being on the wrong planet.

WoK Chapter 58, WoR Chapters 14, 29, 53, and 56.

My thoughts in purple, because it's easier that way. I'm glad I'm not the only person who's done this It's fantastic to see other people's thoughts broken down bit by bit and compare them with mine because everyone reads and interprets scenes slightly differently. I did it bit by bit mostly because I'm a crazy person that constructed my own personal wiki on about my 30th re-read lol.

Mine is a microsoft one-note notebook that's basically a personal wiki. But I have the ebooks, so writing in them would be a pain.

Welcome! I'll second the staying-out-of-forums-for-books-you-haven't-read. Stormlight is his best, in my opinion, and everything else is a (small) step down. I also really liked Warbreaker (which you can get free off his website), followed by Elantris. Mistborn is a good read, but quite different from Stormlight (Actually, all his books are pretty different from one another). Favorite thing about the Stormlight Archive?

Has anyone ever asked if it's possible to be "invested" as opposed to "active" on multiple planets/planetary systems at the same time?

The timing in WoR is also significant - Lopen and the bridge 4 men acquire this capability right after Kaladin says the third oath. I personally think that that's indicative of them being squires. In addition, all the Radiants we have seen have interacted with their spren for some time before being able to inhale stormlight and glow. Including Dalinar, if you count the visions as spren interaction, which I do. So that also seems to rule out Lopen being a Radiant of his own accord- Rock would have noticed if he'd had a spren.

Well we know at least one person has read it. There's a scholar in the scene with Navani and Adolin and the archer-platform fabrial test that's reading it and trying to talk to Navani about it. That's a start, I guess