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@Windrunner: In the latest episode of Writing Excuses, they discuss Emperor's Soul, and Mary mentions how she likes the “different specialties" of the magic system (singular) saying "there’s the forger, then you’ve got the resellers, and then you’ve got the guy who does the blood magic…” and Brandon went along with this ("mmhmm, mmhmm" etc.). Not very solid proof, but it sounds like Bloodsealing is apart of the Forgery magic system.

I was under the impression that Atium was all about what OTHER people did. I know we only know of two Atium based metals (Atium itself and Malatium), but it seemed that it turned whatever the normal metal did into not so much an external power as a power that is relating to others.

Even external metals have abilities which is not so much about others as you influencing others.

But Atium does not affect others, it shows them. Malatium does exactly what gold does, but for you to see in other people.

So here is my theories:

Iron: Sees other peoples metal lines when they are burning iron.

Steel: As above but with steel.

Tin: You can see what others can see.

Pewter: Can see what others strengths are.

Zinc: See others thoughts.

Brass: See others emotions.

Copper: See copperclouds.

Bronze: Hear the pulses others are hearing.

Gold: Malatium.

Electrum: Atium but with a specific person (Like Voidus)

Bendalloy: See Bendalloy bubbles/gives comprehension or speed to mind so you can see what is happening inside a bendalloy bubble in what seems to be real time.

Cadmium: See Cadium bubbles/?.

Aluminum: See others metals (inside).

Duralumin: See what power of metal is left but not specifics?

Chromium: Blocks others use of atium (like coppercloud that stops affect of atium compounds) doesn't quite fit.

Nicrosil: Above but with Duralumin effect.

I know these aren't as cool, but they with how I always imagined Atium to work, and seems to be a fair opposite to Lerasium, in that these alloys lets you see power in others while Lerasium (and its alloys) creates that power it in yourself.

Didn't Brandon say that the ability to use magic was based on your spirit web? Could this force, or whatever it is, be hereditary in the spiritual realm just as genes are hereditary in the physical realm. This would mean that all magic is based on heritage without being genetic, which is what I assumed.

How much Atium did the Feruchemists have access to before the ascension? The Pits wouldn't have been in the same place, and they might not have had any Atium-minds at all. Also, isn't Feruchemy very instinctive? I can't quote this, but I seem to remember Sazed saying something about Feruchemy being natural to its users in a way that Allomancy isn't (due to snapping). Thus, with a combination of Atium only storing physical age and Feruchemists natural use of Feruchemy, wouldn't even a baby be ably to use Feruchemy if they got to that baby stage through Atium? (i.e. The brain doesn't seem to become senile or underdeveloped in old age or childhood thought Atium use, so why should it stop functioning for a baby?)

Just a thought.

The issue with not including Feruchemical abilities is that clearly being Mistborn and being a Keeper is not mutually exclusive and I cannot imagine why they'd pointedly target a group containing absolutely no possibility of producing a Keeper if they're intent on creating a super-soldier.

If they are wanting to use hemalurgy, however, they can only steal one ability, so it would be a wast to harm the feruchemical line to steal allomantic abilities when they can steal allomancy from the general population and feruchemy from the Terris people later if they feel the need.

No, nobody noticed that at all. ^_~

I didn't see that. I read most of the main AOL forums, but missed that part.

Possibly. Marsh did say "very dangerous", but nothing about Harmony/Sazed specifically being upset by this dangerous thing, only that it needs to be seen to in a particular way.

Also, did anyone notice the metal symbols on the Elendel Basin map? They run Iron, Larasium, Iron, Steel, Tin along the top and Atium, Malatium, Gold, Electrum, Chromium, Nicrosil down the side? Perhaps latitudes and longditudes are given metal symbols with the 'centre' of the world, if you will, being above the Tyrian Sea, where Atium and Larasium lines cross? This doesn't particularly fit with the traditional compass directions (see Luthadel map), although the Irongate river does run East/West, and Iron was the symbol for West.

Any thoughts?

I don't know if I just can't find the post, but it seems that no one has brought up the information Marsh gave Marasi? What was Wax beginning to discover that Harmony was concerned about? Anyone able to shed light?

So, each of allomancy and feruchemy are stolen through a 1, 2, 3 and 4 metal (going by your notation)?

Would, then, metals 2 and four of the enhancement quadrant steal spiritual human attributes and metals 2 and 4 of the temporal quadrant steal whatever temporal links to?

Also interesting to note that, although not very helpful in this case, pulling metals are elements and pushing metals are alloys.

After the new information came out about feruchemical powers (and resparked my enthusiasm), I went back to see if I could make any sense of hemalurgy. I put the different types of 'stuff' stolen on the circle diagram that came out for the allomantic metals. It is attached.

Key:

Yellow - Human attributes stolen

Blue - Allomantic powers stolen

Red - Feruchemical powers stolen

Green - Unknown

While there are obvious groupings, and established links between allomantic metal powers and hemalurgically stolen powers (i.e. physical and physical), the arrangement of stolen feruchemy and stolen allomancy doesn't seem to follow a nice pattern.

Can anyone shed light or does anyone have ideas that might satisfy my confusion and curiosity?

And a warbreaker ketek...

Breaking war: the task of one man; this is Vasher, is this man - one of task; the Warbreaker.

On the wiki, there is a page for Ishikk (http://coppermind.17thshard.com/wiki/Ishikk). It says he is a Brightlord from Alethkar. Yet Ishikk is the fisherman from the Purelake in the first set of interludes. Are there two Ishikks (as I don't remember the aforementioned Brightlord)? Or is the Brightlord confused with Isasik Shulin, the royal cartographer?

Sincerely confused,

Jay.