IcaroRibeiro he/him Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) We know very little about the Heralds before the Proving Day. As far as concerned, Spren look for humans whose personal values, moral code and personality matches the most with the Heralds. According to the legends, the first and biggest concern of Heralds was protection of humanity, they would defend but also teach mankind. I'm not even a it inclined to believe they were all soldiers. With that in mind, who exactly were these men and women before they become cognitive shadows? 1) Jezrien Herald of Kings, he was probably born in Ashyn. According to the madman's words "and Jezrien . . . he will teach you leadership". It makes me wonders if Jezrien wasn't in fact a King from start. I actually believe he was a commoner, if not, he was at best a highborn, but not a king. Jezrien was a soldier, a general, he was the one who take the leader after the long travel to Roshar. If he become a King, it was after human society . 2) Nale Herald of Justice, in Ashyn Nale was a constable. In Roshar, he worked as a Magister. I'm supposing based on their Azish title "Nakke, the judge". It matches with his order shared values, put the laws above everything else, and also with his personality. 3) Chanarach Very few is know about her, probably the Herald we know the least. At first I used to think she was an assassin as her order is know by the erratic and destructive members. The words Stormfather use to describe Taln were he was the only who wasn't king, scholar or general. It makes me think Chanarach was in a power and prestigious position. Her divine attributes being Bravery and Obedience makes me think she became a General after her life as an Assassin in Ashyn. 4) Vedel Pretty easy one. According to Taln words "Vedel can train your surgeons", her Radian Order members are infused with healing surgebinding and her divine attributes are love and heal, giving very little space to disprove: She was a Scholar and Physician. 5) Pailiah Matron of Truthwacthers, there is very few we know about her but it's clar she was a Scholar though it's not clear what was her foremost subject of study. Palanaeum was named after her, implying she was probably the most prominent learned Herald. But I'm going further and believing Pailiah was an actual Oracle, whether hes clairvoyant powers were true or false is questionable, but the fact Truthwatchers were considered to be esoteric it just makes my theory stronger 6) Shalash Herald of beauty and Lady of Dreams, not only a princess Ash was an artist. I'm basing this hypothesis mostly on one thing: Her symbolic destruction of her own artistic depictions. I actually don't quite believe she was trying to hide herself, each civilization are used to portray Heralds of members of their own civilization and how could they ever imagine how Ash would look alike. Ash was destroying her Art because she was ashamed, arts were the most important things on her life she just feels she's no longer deserving to have any piece of art in her name. 7) Battar Like most of her radiants, the Herald of Elsecallers was an scholar. I won't say a word if she is Dova or not, so I'm basing my thoughts of what she was really on her orders Spren. It's a very well know fact Elsecallers were the true masters of cognitive realm, forming the highest liason with the greatest spren in Shadesmar. That's, combined with her divine atributes of caring and wisdom, make me feel she was a diplomat. Battar was one of the fewest Heralds who actually tried to make peace with Singers, rather than conquered them and was chosen a Herald because Honor wanted individuals who didn't seek for Singers destruction, but for humanity protection. 8) Kalak I believe he's the second youngest Herald. We had a POV of him, but after millennia or war and torture we only knew he was a depressive and neurotic individual. As Taln says "Kalak will teach you to cast bronze, if you have forgotten this" makes me feel Kalak was a Contractor, a Master Builder and an Engineer. 9) Taln The only commoner among the Heralds, the Herald of War was just a mid-tier soldier and a swordmaster with a steel willpower. According to himself "I will train your soldiers". He was chosen because of his dependable personality and teaching skills. 10) Ishar Blinder of Gods, Ishar was a Sage and a Priest of Honor even before Ashyn's destruction, when humanity still worshipped Odium. Ishar was the one who looked for Honor and ask for Mercy for his own kind, which Honor promptly granted after Ashyn's exodus. That's long-term relationship between Isha and Honor was what make him the highest Herald and the one who Holds the biggest powers. In Roshar humanity looked for him when they needed guide and to listen Honor's worlds. TL;DR Jezrien - A Soldier who became a King after the destruction of Ashyn Nale - A constable who became a Magister Chanarach - An Assassin who turned to be a General Vedel - A Surgeon Scholar Pailiah - An Oracle Scholar Shalash - An Artist Princess Battar - A Diplomat Scholar Kalak - A Build Master Talenel - A Swordmaster and Combat Teatcher Ishar - A Honor's Sage Edited May 27, 2020 by IcaroRibeiro 1
Karger he/him Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, IcaroRibeiro said: . I actually believe he was a commoner, if not, he was at best a highborn, but not a king. Jezrien was a soldier, a general, he was the one who take the leader after the long travel to Roshar Quote . Though he hadn’t worn a crown in centuries, his royal manner lingered(WoK prologue) 18 minutes ago, IcaroRibeiro said: But I'm going further and believing Pailiah was an actual Oracle Seeing the future is of the unmade. She would not have been precognitive. Also keep in mind divine attributes are largely cultural. They have no inherent meaning or applicability.
IcaroRibeiro he/him Posted May 27, 2020 Author Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Karger said: Seeing the future is of the unmade. She would not have been precognitive. Also keep in mind divine attributes are largely cultural. They have no inherent meaning or applicability. Well, so far divine attributes matches 100% with the Radiants personal values and moral path, so I'm inclined to believe they are real Edited May 27, 2020 by IcaroRibeiro
Karger he/him Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 Just now, IcaroRibeiro said: Well, so far divine attributes matches 100% with the Radiants personal values and moral path, so I'm inclined to believe they are all right Quote Questioner From what we've seen so far, most of the Ideals of the Orders of the Knights Radiant have been in line with the Divine Attributes ascribed to them. Did the Divine Attributes come from the Ideals of the Knights Radiant? Brandon Sanderson These two are heavily interconnected. And the Divine Attributes, like the Double Eye at the front, are more philosophy than they are strict, you know part of-- Rather than capital-T Truth revealed. And so a lot of social structures were built out of the things going on. So the answer is yes. Not 100% yes, but certainly those sorts of things are extrapolations that people were making, as opposed to core concepts of the magic. Oathbringer Chicago signing (Nov. 21, 2017) They are not wrong they are human being trying to understand something while still laden down with cultural bias.
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