Karger he/him Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, TheFoxQR said: That's... not how orbits work. It's not even close to how orbits work. What do you mean? It is an observed phenomena. Larger masses can help prevent the decay another mass's orbit.
+TheFoxQR Posted August 3, 2019 Author Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Karger said: What do you mean? It is an observed phenomena. Larger masses can help prevent the decay another mass's orbit. This statement is immensely frustrating on multiple levels. In fact, I've debated with myself if I should even answer it. You are looking at thing A, which is very different from thing B, and applying it to to thing B without understanding the underlying principles that make thing A and thing B work. First, it is not observed phenomena. The Shepherd Moons don't keep the rings from falling into Saturn. They maintain the shape of the rings. Second the scale. The Moons of Saturn are close to Saturn and close to it's rings. Third, the moons don't pull the rings away from Saturn. In fact most things about the rings (except composition) are contested. If a moon outside the ring could pull the inside of the ring with any significant strength, then it would completely mess up the outside of the ring. Shepherd moons demarcate boundaries mainly by pushing (which is technically only an effect of their gravitational pull, but still), not pulling. Fourth, Ars Arcanum mentions that nobody has directly studied the Gas Giants. This would be different if they were close enough to actually effect the orbit of Roshar, in which case they would be visible to the naked eye. Fourth - there are 10 Gas Giants. 10. flipping. Gas. GIANTS. If any of them could affect Roshar's orbit, RIP Braze. Or the Asteroid belt behind it, which is significantly lighter and closer to the Gas Giants. No to mention the Gas Giants' pull on each other. Fifth, in all of this, I'm completely discounting revolution times, or the minimum distance between two orbiting bodies in the same plane for the orbit to be stable. Go lookup the difference in revolution times of Mercury, Jupiter and Pluto. Roshar would have traveled several years before the closest of the Gas Giants would go around once. Edited August 3, 2019 by TheFoxQR 1
ZenBossanova Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) Just as a refinement of your theory, there is WoB that indicates the Parshmen are of Odium and of Cultivation, but not Honor. Also, was this recent WoB talking about the diagram in the OP? TheFoxQR Is this (Imgur) a valid breakdown of known Rosharan Magic? The idea here is that two Shards on Scadrial gave us 3 systems - two mono-shardic and one di-shardic. Mono-shardic systems being each shard expressing itself, and multi-shardic systems arising from an interaction between the two. So by that logic, on Roshar, 3 shards should give us 3 mono-shardic, 3 di-shardic, and 1 tri-shardic systems. It is mentioned that Odium (the Void) is bound by the powers of Honor and Cultivation. With the caveat that the Everstorm is also probably in between Honor and Odium? Brandon Sanderson RAFO. I'd suggest the chart is worth studying, however. Footnote: I don't know if Brandon was talking about the Voidbinding chart or my linked chart.General Reddit 2019 (Aug. 3, 2019) Edited August 5, 2019 by ZenBossanova
+TheFoxQR Posted August 5, 2019 Author Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, ZenBossanova said: Just as a refinement of your theory, there is WoB that indicates the Parshmen are of Odium and of Cultivation, but not Honor. Also, was this recent WoB talking about the diagram in the OP? TheFoxQR Is this (Imgur) a valid breakdown of known Rosharan Magic? The idea here is that two Shards on Scadrial gave us 3 systems - two mono-shardic and one di-shardic. Mono-shardic systems being each shard expressing itself, and multi-shardic systems arising from an interaction between the two. So by that logic, on Roshar, 3 shards should give us 3 mono-shardic, 3 di-shardic, and 1 tri-shardic systems. It is mentioned that Odium (the Void) is bound by the powers of Honor and Cultivation. With the caveat that the Everstorm is also probably in between Honor and Odium? Brandon Sanderson RAFO. I'd suggest the chart is worth studying, however. Footnote: I don't know if Brandon was talking about the Voidbinding chart or my linked chart.General Reddit 2019 (Aug. 3, 2019) It was about an older version of the Great Venn Diagram of Rosharan Magic (or GVDRM). Essentially, I hashed out this theory in its infancy, and I had a couple other questions I wanted to ask Brandon. Given that I've never had the chance to ask a question to him personally, I wondered if, just once, I could send him a dm. And he replied. The problem is, I asked him these when he was in Spain. And from the feedback here, I had the chance to refine the GVDRM significantly after I sent him the original version, as he wasn't using reddit much in between. I'm hoping by the end of this year I'll have had a chance to ask him if the new one's any better. Edited August 5, 2019 by TheFoxQR 2
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