Karger he/him Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Quantus said: Im not actually going that far. I still think Lightweavers get normal Plate like all the other Orders, and I personally am in the camp that believes they are formed from the Order's associated lesser spren (Creationspren for Lightweavers, Windspren for Windrunners, Gloryspren for Bondsmiths, etc). All I meant to say was that we might see a Lightweaver wearing a Plate illusion that could be superficially indistinguishable. It would be able to stop physical blows, would potentially be invested enough to stop Shardblades, and would sure /Look/ like Shardplate. It would still require an active Surge like any other Illusion (and all the limitations that involves with Stormlight fuel, Seeker spren, Aluminum, etc); it would still be disrupt-able in the way actual godmetal plate is not. It also would not offer any of the other benefits that Plate does, like the Strength enhancement. It would be more along the lines of a dismissable Half-Shard plate armor, to my mind. That is not the same thing as plate and due to the stormlight requirement is probably impracticable in most scenarios. 4 hours ago, Quantus said: I would argue that Veil isnt Fake in any of the ways that really matter to the Spren. Shallan cannot invent a new persona with any skills, knowledge, or actual experience that she herself does not possess (that would take Forgery). But she can (and has) wildly changed her balance of personality traits, and I think she could do so enough to appeal to a different race of spren, in theory. Certainly some spren would probably be more open to the Bond than others (but hell, that's the case even with spren of the same race, taking both Ivory and Syl as examples). As far as the likelihood of actually gaining Spren approval, I wouldnt go so far as to call it a Wisdom issue so much as a personal (and racial) preference issue, but yes it's not going to be common by any stretch. So far Brandon has always been very specific to say it's only "theoretically" possible to bond multiple types of Spren. I dont think spren are innately any more Wise than people, in fact they are arguably less by virtue of being far more polarized and invariable in their personalities. But they are presented basically as people, with all the prejudices and fallibility that comes with it. They hold grudges, go to war over ideology, misunderstand other viewpoints, etc. Spren are not inherently wiser the other people but they are attracted to specific emotions and beliefs that humans have. Veil is not fake in any way that matters to the spren but she is also the type of person who would attract a Cryptic. She is just a different Shallan. 7 hours ago, Quantus said: focus a personality on those qualities enough she might well be able to attract an Honorspren and become a Windrunner Similarly Radiant does her best to maintain presence and be honorable and selfless. You know who she reminds me of the most? Elhokar. Another Lightweaver. Maintaining your lies and trying to be a Windrunner at the same time does not seem practical for her or anyone realy. Syl hates lies or dishonest behavior for a reason.
Renen Posted June 27, 2019 Author Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) On 26/06/2019 at 1:01 AM, John Flamesinger said: She was at least the 3rd ideal, since that was when Radiants get Shardblades. I suspect what you asked happened, but I don't think she ever got past the 3rd. For example, where is her armor? I think that was something Jahsna asked. Storms. I misspelled Jahsna, didn't I? I'm a horrible fan. Well we already have example of her taking 10 seconds to summon a blade just because oh how she thought of it. I doubt it's a stretch to assume she's lying to herself about having the plate. P. S. While discussion strayed a tiny bit from ideal and into shard plate possession, it's still a fascinating read. I can see where both sides are coming from! Edited June 27, 2019 by Renen
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