SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 23 hours ago, Bigmikey357 said: IIRC Wax has been wounded by an aluminum round before, yet he could still do magic. Am I right? Wax has never been shot by someone trying to make a Hemalurgic spike from an aluminum bullet. Like I said, I hope ranged Hemalurgy doesnt' work, because it would be dumb.
Scion of the Mists Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 12 hours ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: Wax has never been shot by someone trying to make a Hemalurgic spike from an aluminum bullet. Like I said, I hope ranged Hemalurgy doesnt' work, because it would be dumb. I know it's not the same thing, but would Wax shooting Paalm be considered ranged Hemalurgy? Also, if the bindpoints matter for the victim/donor, as it seems like they should (recent WoB notwithstanding), it would be incredibly difficult to pull off in practice, even if the shooter did have the right intent.
Pathfinder Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 Just an update on my WoB search. So far no luck, but I have found a thread on reddit from back in 2016 where another person said the exact same thing. Now it could be the Mandela Effect occuring, but I think it means I am not nuts and there is something to it. Will keep trying. I have attached a screen capture of the thread 37 minutes ago, Scion of the Mists said: I know it's not the same thing, but would Wax shooting Paalm be considered ranged Hemalurgy? Also, if the bindpoints matter for the victim/donor, as it seems like they should (recent WoB notwithstanding), it would be incredibly difficult to pull off in practice, even if the shooter did have the right intent. I was considering bringing that up since he did use a hemalurgic spike, and it did count enough for harmony to control her. Kandra have flexible bind points so theoretically Wax could have hit the right bindpoint in her head with guidance from harmony to get the desired effect, though that is a stretch. I agree. Even if it could work, hitting the right spot during a fight would be incredibly difficult. Then again if anyone could, it would be Wax.
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, Scion of the Mists said: I know it's not the same thing, but would Wax shooting Paalm be considered ranged Hemalurgy? Also, if the bindpoints matter for the victim/donor, as it seems like they should (recent WoB notwithstanding), it would be incredibly difficult to pull off in practice, even if the shooter did have the right intent. I should clarify myself. Using Hemalurgic spikes that already have a charge at range should be entirely possible. It's the making of a Hemalurgic spike that I feel should not be possible at range. Putting an already made spike into someone doesn't seem to require intent given that Vin repeatedly spiked herself with her earring without knowing it.
Pathfinder Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: I should clarify myself. Using Hemalurgic spikes that already have a charge at range should be entirely possible. It's the making of a Hemalurgic spike that I feel should not be possible at range. Putting an already made spike into someone doesn't seem to require intent given that Vin repeatedly spiked herself with her earring without knowing it. But with Vin, her mother spiked her with Ruin's intent. She drove the earring through Vin's twin's heart, and then pierced Vin's ear. All Vin was doing was putting the spike back to its bind point each time. Normally removing and putting back in a spike would potentially kill the person as it would be in a much more vital area, but the ear lobe allowed her to pop it in and out. As to Wax, Harmony did use the spike to communicate with him and fuel him, but I am not sure he gained any abilities from the spike itself. But I am going on recollection so I readily concede if I am totally off base. edit: Did a quick perusal of WoB, and Brandon confirms Wax's earring has a charge, but it is too weak to give any real power other than communication with Harmony, and Brandon hedged on what material/power it would be. Edited April 3, 2019 by Pathfinder
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: But with Vin, her mother spiked her with Ruin's intent. She drove the earring through Vin's twin's heart That's the creation of the spike. The rest of it doesn't require intent, it just needs to be inside the person (preferably in the right place, but only if the idea is to actually gain a power). 31 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: As to Wax, Harmony did use the spike to communicate with him and fuel him, but I am not sure he gained any abilities from the spike itself. But I am going on recollection so I readily concede if I am totally off base. edit: Did a quick perusal of WoB, and Brandon confirms Wax's earring has a charge, but it is too weak to give any real power other than communication with Harmony, and Brandon hedged on what material/power it would be. Personally, I think Wax's earring was giving him a very small pewter charge. Quote from Alloy of Law. Quote I wish I could feel the mist, he thought. It's been weeks since I've been able to go out in them. He always felt stronger in the mists. He felt like someone was watching, when he was out in them. I included the last line to be fair. It kind of undercuts my theory by making it seem like he means more emotionally strong.
Pathfinder Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: That's the creation of the spike. The rest of it doesn't require intent, it just needs to be inside the person (preferably in the right place, but only if the idea is to actually gain a power). Personally, I think Wax's earring was giving him a very small pewter charge. Quote from Alloy of Law. I included the last line to be fair. It kind of undercuts my theory by making it seem like he means more emotionally strong. I feel like there was a WoB that confirmed the earring let Harmony fuel Wax with the mists, giving him a pewter effect, like what happened with Vin and the mists. If Wax was reliant on the spike to give him the power of pewter, wouldn't he still need the metal to burn? (genuinely talking it out, not asking the question to be critical) Unless you mean the spike gave him increased human strength like what is done to the koloss?
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: If Wax was reliant on the spike to give him the power of pewter, wouldn't he still need the metal to burn? I'll preface this by saying that this is pure conjecture. I think that Wax is powering his small pewter charge with the Mists. Here's another quote from AoL during the big fight at the end. He's talking to Wayne about their injuries. Quote "I'll survive." Wax's leg was throbbing, his face scraped up, but he felt surprisingly good. He always felt that way, in the mists. There's another part at the end of the fight where they trick Miles with the cadmium bubble. Wax was strong and ignoring a ridiculous number of injuries up until that point (if you've seen The Punisher on Netflix, I see Wax here as Frank on his worst days). I think that this could have been the point where Marasi activated her bubble and the time change somehow interfered with the mists reaching Wax. Alternatively, it could be the point where the mists finally ran out inside the bubble. I'll also add that this theory is completely dependent on the mists granting Allomancers power (like Vin when she killed Rashek) in Era 2. I don't think there is any confirmation of that, so take everything I said here with that in mind. Edited April 3, 2019 by SwordNimiForPresident
Pathfinder Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: I'll preface this by saying that this is pure conjecture. I think that Wax is powering his small pewter charge with the Mists. Here's another quote from AoL during the big fight at the end. He's talking to Wayne about their injuries. There's another part at the end of the fight where they trick Miles with the cadmium bubble. Wax was strong and ignoring a ridiculous number of injuries up until that point (if you've seen The Punisher on Netflix, I see Wax here as Frank on his worst days). I think that this could have been the point where Marasi activated her bubble and the time change somehow interfered with the mists reaching Wax. Alternatively, it could be the point where the mists finally ran out inside the bubble. I'll also add that this theory is completely dependent on the mists granting Allomancers power (like Vin when she killed Rashek) in Era 2. I don't think there is any confirmation of that, so take everything I said here with that in mind. To clarify, we are both sorta saying the same thing but not. You are saying Wax has a steel spike (which steals allomantic physical abilities), and harmony used the mists to fuel him in place of pewter the metal needing to burn. I was saying that the type of spike didn't matter because the charge is so weak. That the spike just gave harmony the means to communicate with Wax, but the mists fueled Wax like they did Vin, regardless what type of spike he had in his ear. But what I am saying is just as much conjecture, so I am not saying this to correct you nor say you are wrong. Just to explain where I think we coincide, and where we seem to differ. Edited April 3, 2019 by Pathfinder
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 @Pathfinder Seem's just as plausible as what I was saying.
Calderis he/him Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 I've always believed his earring gave a very small ability with allomantic pewter. The final fight of AoL really doesn't make sense otherwise. Wax is so torn up after all the injuries and explosion that when he finds the chest with his guns he's literally crawling... Then the mist pour in and he's up and fighting like he isn't hurt. That sounds exactly like pewter. For that to be true, even if it is a small enough charge in the earring that he can't even actively burn pewter anymore, the Mists have to act as a fuel for an ability someone has. The Mists can take the place of any metal... But a coinshot isn't going to use it for atium shadows or soothing...
Aminar Posted April 4, 2019 Posted April 4, 2019 I'd like to see what I'm going to call a Punch gun. It's got two barrels that go off of a single trigger pull. The top barrel is a high caliber supersonic round designed to shatter shardplate(Heavy with lots of mushrooming to spread the force. . The second is a subsonic round(possibly a shotgun slug for a lot of stopping power) meant to kill. That bullet shoots first, and the gun would have to be designed to have minimal recoil off that shot. The second bullet fires so that it will leave the barrel shortly after the other. Its greater speed would have it impacting first, but both bullets would hit similar locations, allowing you to shatter the shardplate followed by an immediate lethal followup.
Scion of the Mists Posted April 4, 2019 Posted April 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Aminar said: I'd like to see what I'm going to call a Punch gun. It's got two barrels that go off of a single trigger pull. The top barrel is a high caliber supersonic round designed to shatter shardplate(Heavy with lots of mushrooming to spread the force. . The second is a subsonic round(possibly a shotgun slug for a lot of stopping power) meant to kill. That bullet shoots first, and the gun would have to be designed to have minimal recoil off that shot. The second bullet fires so that it will leave the barrel shortly after the other. Its greater speed would have it impacting first, but both bullets would hit similar locations, allowing you to shatter the shardplate followed by an immediate lethal followup. I'm not an expert in this stuff, but I think you'd have a lot of issues with bullets being fired so close together on the same trajectory. Not to mention the shockwaves caused by the supersonic round passing the subsonic round.
Aminar Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 19 hours ago, Scion of the Mists said: I'm not an expert in this stuff, but I think you'd have a lot of issues with bullets being fired so close together on the same trajectory. Not to mention the shockwaves caused by the supersonic round passing the subsonic round. Over longer ranges. But it depends a lot on the rifling and the mass of what you're firing. This wouldn't be a long range thing, it can't be with a Shotgun slug.
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