Sci-Fi planning

[kenod]

How developed would the area be? For example, do we have habitats, star-lifting, chandelier cities in the gas giant, orbital rings, that kind of stuff? Also, I'd suggest for everybody here to take a look at a Youtube channel called Isaac Arthur, there's a lot of interesting futurist things there that don't actually need any new science to happen.

Also, how wide spread and developed are things like cybernetics, genetic engineering and anti-aging tech?

12 hours ago, Darth Woodrack said:

Or, we could have another species that we share the system with, that we have... uneasy relations with. The plot could be that there is a group that wants war, and everyone has to pick a side. Like, TUBA is the humans, DA is the other species, and GB is the group that wants war, and Keepers(didn't forget them this time Ark) are the ones that don't want it.

I'm not entirely sure how well this would fit with the guilds. For example, the DA would probably be more in the direction of a shadowy group of amoral scientists, possibly using genetic engineering, with them being aliens not making a lot of sense (unless the aliens use biotech of course).

[Clyde Froggins he/him]

I personally find the idea of using moons instead of planets much more interesting and fun.

[+Ark1002]

11 hours ago, Dr. Dapper said:

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Are you opposed to the moons idea?

I personally think moons is the best idea. Lightspeed is going too far.

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

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This is Sci-Fi. Why would Lightspeed be to far?

I propose that we have a large ship moving away from the system, as an additional place, but have them only be able to communicate. Just fir a bit of pure space opera, without being abet to land at any time.

[kenod]

3 minutes ago, Darth Woodrack said:

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This is Sci-Fi. Why would Lightspeed be to far?

I propose that we have a large ship moving away from the system, as an additional place, but have them only be able to communicate. Just fir a bit of pure space opera, without being abet to land at any time.

That depends on the type of sci-fi. If you go full hard-science there are many other options for travel that don't require ftl travel or lightspeed travel.

Also, how would traveling at actual light speed actually work, with time dilation kicking in?

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

It would only last a couple minutes, so that wouldn't be a problem.

[kenod]

I mean that time dilation at actual lightspeed would basically make it so no time passes for those traveling at the speed, which means you don't really know when to stop. Also, how would it work out when it comes to energy costs, since an object with mass requires infinite energy to accelerate to lightspeed. It would probably be better to create an explanation for ftl travel instead, since it would cause less headaches. That or limit travel speeds to just a fraction under lightspeed. Of course, at that point you'll also need deflector shields to deal with dust and micrometeorites.

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

This is Sci-Fi. Take your logic elsewhere.

[old man moomba he/him]

Have you ever heard the term "Hard Sci-Fi"? 

It means sci-fi that is theoretically possible and/or follows the laws of physics.

A good example would be some stories by Arthur C. Clarke.

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

Yes, I have. I don't really get the concept though. Technically, all Sci-Fi is theoretically possible, it just depends on which theory.

[+Ark1002]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Dapper said:

Have you ever heard the term "Hard Sci-Fi"? 

It means sci-fi that is theoretically possible and/or follows the laws of physics.

A good example would be some stories by Arthur C. Clarke.

I really like the idea of alleyverse Hard Sci-Fi. I'm opposed to light speed travel, or at least in the way of star wars. If we were to have superspeed travel, I would like it more in the way of the Ender's Game series, with relativity involved, and computers making the precise jumps.

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

.....You know Enders Game uses Lightspeed right?

Also, this is a place that includes all forms of Sci-Fi right? So limiting most of it by going to a small potion that includes, what? 1/10 of sci-fi, wouldn't really fit that spirit.

[+Ark1002]

1 minute ago, Darth Woodrack said:

.....You know Enders Game uses Lightspeed right?

Also, this is a place that includes all forms of Sci-Fi right? So limiting most of it by going to a small potion that includes, what? 1/10 of sci-fi, wouldn't really fit that spirit.

Wrong. They use near lightspeed, and also include theory of relativity within it. I also said that was if we were going to include superspeed travel.

And, no, that is not what we're doing. Same way we aren't doing all styles of Horror, not including all Fantasy. That's unrealistic. Later, if full multiverse is approved, we can have the multiple types. Right now we're going to limit it to one.

[MacThorstenson he/him]

5 minutes ago, Arky-boi said:

Wrong. They use near lightspeed, and also include theory of relativity within it. I also said that was if we were going to include superspeed travel.

Technically you are both wrong, they use faster than lightspeed communication, but sub lightspeed travel.

[+Ark1002]

4 minutes ago, MacThorstenson said:

Technically you are both wrong, they use faster than lightspeed communication, but sub lightspeed travel.

I read three books so far, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I was just talking about travel, not their communications.

[old man moomba he/him]

I think FTL comms would be good. That way people could communicate without having to wait 10 minutes. 

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

I agree with Dwig on that last point.

3 hours ago, Arky-boi said:

I read three books so far, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I was just talking about travel, not their communications.

Aren't there seven books?

We were going to have several different moons, si it would have several different types of Sci-Fi. If we only use hard sci-fi, than it isn't fun, and limits everything.

[kenod]

7 hours ago, Darth Woodrack said:

I agree with Dwig on that last point.

Aren't there seven books?

We were going to have several different moons, si it would have several different types of Sci-Fi. If we only use hard sci-fi, than it isn't fun, and limits everything.

That depends. I agree that pure hard sci-fi isn't everything, and that bending some laws of physics might be interesting. That was what I was suggesting as well, to limit STL travel speeds, and add a way for FTL to happen as well.

On the other hand, pure hard sci-fi can create some really bizarre settings as well, such as moving stars or building planets with a radius of a light year, build around a black hole for gravity, or intelligent supercomputers the size of whole solar systems.
That's something a lot of people miss with hard sci-fi, that with a good amount of time and resources, you can create things that most sci-fi authors would see as impossible, even though it's completely possible (again, suggesting you check out Isaac Arthur or Orion's Arm).

There's also the fact that hard sci-fi is also used to refer to settings which alter only a few laws of physics, but stick to known science for the most of it. For example, Schlock Mercenary has gravity manipulation and matter energy converters as its only divergences from standard physics, but can create great plot lines and worlds all the same.

 

[+Ark1002]

12 hours ago, Darth Woodrack said:

I agree with Dwig on that last point.

Aren't there seven books?

We were going to have several different moons, si it would have several different types of Sci-Fi. If we only use hard sci-fi, than it isn't fun, and limits everything.

Again, we have to limit it at some point.

And, yes, FTL comms is a good idea.

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

6 hours ago, kenod said:

That depends. I agree that pure hard sci-fi isn't everything, and that bending some laws of physics might be interesting. That was what I was suggesting as well, to limit STL travel speeds, and add a way for FTL to happen as well.

On the other hand, pure hard sci-fi can create some really bizarre settings as well, such as moving stars or building planets with a radius of a light year, build around a black hole for gravity, or intelligent supercomputers the size of whole solar systems.
That's something a lot of people miss with hard sci-fi, that with a good amount of time and resources, you can create things that most sci-fi authors would see as impossible, even though it's completely possible (again, suggesting you check out Isaac Arthur or Orion's Arm).

There's also the fact that hard sci-fi is also used to refer to settings which alter only a few laws of physics, but stick to known science for the most of it. For example, Schlock Mercenary has gravity manipulation and matter energy converters as its only divergences from standard physics, but can create great plot lines and worlds all the same.

 

By Hard Sci-Fi, I am looking at Sci-Fi that only shows what we now is possible. I think we cold fit in a few more possibility jumps. Like, Plasma swords in Halo are magnetically contained Plasma in the shape of a sword. It is unknown if containing the magnetically feild so it doesn't crush their armor is actually possible, but for the series, it is.

[Gancho Libre he/him]

I like this idea of Hard sci-fi. Things that are possible intrigue me.

[old man moomba he/him]

Ok, so expectsome more stuff tomorrow (or possibly later tonight but we'll see)

Basic ideas: Three or four big moons, at least one of those is tidaly locked. All of them have an atmosphere, but only one of them has one in which humans can survive without life support of some kind. That one is the cyberpunk world, its entire surface is covered by a giant city. The other moons will probably have flora and fauna the we can flesh out. (One of the plotlines that I'm intrested in doing involes exploring an alien moon)

[old man moomba he/him]

Ok, I'll do some more stuff for this, but I want to see other people's ideas for stuff.

Spoiler

 

Sci-Fi Worldbuilding (Part 1)

 

The System: Known as Jalien by some of its inhabitants, this system contains three large gas giants, one within the habitable zone. This gas giant, or rather, its moons, contain life. The largest moons(Those with an atmosphere) have amazingly diverse environments and different life forms, some intelligent, sprung upon them.

 

Corislain: The largest moon by a few kilometers, Corislain is entirely covered by one massive settlement. The Corislians have terraformed their world quite effectively, creating what is, in effect, a moon-sized city.

The moon is divided into sections based lines of latitude and longitude. Firstly, the planet is divided into quadrants based on the two prime vertical lines. Then, each quadrant is divided by two by the equator, forming eight sectors. Each sector is divided into four, creating four blocks per sector. The blocks are designed to be self-sufficient, with each block containing food production, habitation, and manufacturing facilities.

The entire planet was designed a paradise for all those who live there, whether they be human or alien. Sadly, this paradise was not to be. A few years after the planet city’s completion, the various regional leaders turned against each other, breaking into factions that controlled large chunks of the planet. The factions still rule today, holding various areas of the planet.

 

The factions:

Trident Holdings. Formerly Trident Manufacturing, this megacorp controls about 20% of the planet’s territory, mostly along the equator, where the space elevators are. They are an entirely neutral faction and have no wish to control more territory. The reason for this is their monopoly on space travel, as they have access to the only cheap way into orbit, allowing them to build ships at a much cheaper price than any other space travel corporation. Trident Holdings also produces weaponry and heavy equipment, for use by other factions.

(I'm gonna expand this)

 

 

[old man moomba he/him]

Aight, Beware the dangerous triple post. Most of this is a repeat of the other stuff, but there is a fair bit of new content. 

Spoiler

 

The System: Known as Jalien by some of its inhabitants, this system contains three large gas giants, one within the habitable zone. This gas giant, or rather, its moons, contain life. The largest moons(Those with an atmosphere) have amazingly diverse environments and different life forms, some intelligent, sprung up on them.

 

Corislain: The largest moon by a few kilometers, Corislain is entirely covered by one massive settlement. The Corislians have terraformed their world quite effectively, creating what is, in effect, a moon-sized city.

The moon is divided into sections based lines of latitude and longitude. Firstly, the planet is divided into quadrants based on the two prime vertical lines. Then, each quadrant is divided by two by the equator, forming eight sectors. Each sector is divided into four, creating four blocks per sector. The blocks are designed to be self-sufficient, with each block containing food production, habitation, and manufacturing facilities.

The entire planet was designed a paradise for all those who live there, whether they be human or alien. Sadly, this paradise was not to be. A few years after the planet city’s completion, the various regional leaders turned against each other, breaking into factions that controlled large chunks of the planet. The factions still rule today, holding various areas of the planet.

 

The factions:

Trident Holdings. Formerly Trident Manufacturing, this megacorp controls about 20% of the planet’s territory, mostly along the equator, where the space elevators are. They are an entirely neutral faction and have no wish to control more territory. The reason for this is their monopoly on space travel, as they have access to the only cheap way into orbit, allowing them to build ships at a much cheaper price than any other space travel corporation. Trident Holdings also produces weaponry and heavy equipment, for use by other factions.

 

The Watchers: A well-organized crime syndicate, controlling around 35% of the moon’s territory. They allow other, smaller gangs and mobs to flourish in their territory, but they must all give tribute to The Watchers. They have a complex chain of command, with bosses controlling small chunks of land, who are under the supervision of regional chiefs that maintain order among the various areas. Those chiefs are overseen by a number of commanders, who report to the High Council, who are led by a Chairperson.

 

The Order of the Silver Hand. This group, which controls most of the rest of the territory on the moon, is the remnant of the government. They are led by a number of councils that oversee various pieces of society. Each council submits a member to join the Council of Lords, an oversight group that makes executive decisions.

 

Vienania: The other moon that ties with Corislan for the largest. It’s atmosphere in unbreathable to humans. Despite this, the moon’s single supercontinent is filled with jungles and life rich plateaus. The oceans surrounding the continent are filled with islands of all sorts.

(Yeah I’m a bit pressed for time RN, so I’ll get a bit more stuff on this moon later)

 

 

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

Seems cool. Could we do another habitable moon, but with a bunch of incredibly dangerous creatures on it? I could work on those, and the one group of people who live on it.

On laws of physics, I would suggest that we follow them fairly well, but not to the letter. Essentially, we follow the law of cool. If something is very cool, but doesn't  really follow the laws of physics, then we still include it. Essentially, what WH40K does. Everyone okay with this? I'll make some polls for this.