Vargo Seldon he/him Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Like, one of the only theories I've ever made, but this subject has been nagging at me for quite a while (Like a few hours). I figured that nobody would help me postulate more than this community, because no one but them has the patience to dig through all of those WoB's. Basically, all I want to know is this: do Rosharan creatures (mainly greatshells) have the same-ish anatomy as creatures on Earth. The humans there do, so I am led to believe that other creatures do also. So, I'm not a huge biology buff, but I do know some rudimentary terms and basic classification. I know that the animal kingdom is basically divided between invertebrates and vertebrates (with a few exceptions). The way a chasmfiend is structured makes me think it's an invertebrate, and I would place it in Phylum Arthropoda. Same with a whitespine. We know some investiture is involved here, because if it wasn't then the thing would be crushed under the massive weight of it's chitin carapace. Other than that, I believe that the chasmfiend is essentially a really big crab. Another thing. The Reshi Greatshell could be classified the same as the chasmfiend and the whitespine, but not the santhid. It shares almost no characteristics with the other greatshells, and since there is no definite study of them, I think the Rosharans have classified this completely wrong. Since it has only one major shell, with tentacles and is reminiscent of a squid, I think that is is more of a mollusk. Where the chasmfiend is a big lobster, the santhid is a big clam. Tell me what you think of this. I may be on a completely wrong track, but I just wanted you to start thinking about this.
+ILuvHats he/him Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Well, you’re pretty much straight on. Great shells are basically crustaceans that evolved to a level of complexity comparable to modern day mammals. One interesting thing I’d add is that the various blood coloring for the great shells and the Singers have analogues on earth. For example, a lot of crustaceans, like lobsters, horseshoe crabs, etc have blue blood. If we’re looking for violet blood (what greatshells and other Rosharan creatures like axe hounds have), apparently some rare marine invertebrates have it due to the protein hemerythrin. And like Singers, female cockroaches have orange blood, though only when they’re pregnant.
+Oltux72 he/him Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 11 hours ago, Vargo Seldon said: Like, one of the only theories I've ever made, but this subject has been nagging at me for quite a while (Like a few hours). I figured that nobody would help me postulate more than this community, because no one but them has the patience to dig through all of those WoB's. Basically, all I want to know is this: do Rosharan creatures (mainly greatshells) have the same-ish anatomy as creatures on Earth. The humans there do, so I am led to believe that other creatures do also. So, I'm not a huge biology buff, but I do know some rudimentary terms and basic classification. I know that the animal kingdom is basically divided between invertebrates and vertebrates (with a few exceptions). No. That is just what humans do as we are vertebrates. The most basal split is between sponges and the rest, for example. 11 hours ago, Vargo Seldon said: The way a chasmfiend is structured makes me think it's an invertebrate, and I would place it in Phylum Arthropoda. Same with a whitespine. We know some investiture is involved here, because if it wasn't then the thing would be crushed under the massive weight of it's chitin carapace. Other than that, I believe that the chasmfiend is essentially a really big crab. No, there are differences. one set of antennae vocal cords lens instead of compound eyes 11 hours ago, Vargo Seldon said: Another thing. The Reshi Greatshell could be classified the same as the chasmfiend and the whitespine, but not the santhid. It shares almost no characteristics with the other greatshells, and since there is no definite study of them, I think the Rosharans have classified this completely wrong. Since it has only one major shell, with tentacles and is reminiscent of a squid, I think that is is more of a mollusk. Where the chasmfiend is a big lobster, the santhid is a big clam. No evidence of sucking in water for filtration. While it seems to be a filter feeder, it uses a different mechanism. The Santhid essentially is a giant mobile barnacle. And it has no compund eyes, as Shallan noticed being looked at.
Calderis he/him Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 The Tai-na (reshi isles) have four legs and a head. They seem more like gigantic turtles than anything else.
Vargo Seldon he/him Posted February 26, 2019 Author Posted February 26, 2019 15 hours ago, ILuvHats said: Well, you’re pretty much straight on. Great shells are basically crustaceans that evolved to a level of complexity comparable to modern day mammals. One interesting thing I’d add is that the various blood coloring for the great shells and the Singers have analogues on earth. For example, a lot of crustaceans, like lobsters, horseshoe crabs, etc have blue blood. If we’re looking for violet blood (what greatshells and other Rosharan creatures like axe hounds have), apparently some rare marine invertebrates have it due to the protein hemerythrin. And like Singers, female cockroaches have orange blood, though only when they’re pregnant. All of which are Arthropods. 4 hours ago, Oltux72 said: No. That is just what humans do as we are vertebrates. The most basal split is between sponges and the rest, for example. Yes, there are a few phylum in kingdom animalia. There's phylum porifera (I think) that consists of sponges, phylum Arthropoda, which consists of shelled invertebrates, phylum chordata, which consists of vertebrates, and a few others for segmented worms, flatworms, and mollusk. So, the animal kingdom is in truth, divided much more complexly that "one and the other". 4 hours ago, Oltux72 said: No, there are differences. one set of antennae vocal cords lens instead of compound eyes Eh, a minor thing. Many Arthropods have simple eyes, like crayfish and spiders. The vocal cords thing is probably just due to the immense size and complexity of the thing. There are always exceptions in biology, so the antennae thing is a really minor thing. 4 hours ago, Oltux72 said: No evidence of sucking in water for filtration. While it seems to be a filter feeder, it uses a different mechanism. The Santhid essentially is a giant mobile barnacle. And it has no compund eyes, as Shallan noticed being looked at. You're probably right, It is probably more of a barnacle, but I would still place it in phylum Mollusca. I don't think many mollusks have compound eyes, they're mostly simple. My point was just that the Rosharans probably placed it in a completely wrong catagory. 1 hour ago, Calderis said: The Tai-na (reshi isles) have four legs and a head. They seem more like gigantic turtles than anything else. Yes but turtles usually don't have chitin on their legs and head as well. Since the entire body is armored, it's more reminiscent of a big invertebrate. That's why I would categorize it with the chasmfiend as an Arthropod, but you could be right. It could have a spinal cord, because the parshendi also have one as well as full chitin armor. It could be a large turtle, and the Rosharans could've completely categorized this wrong also.
+ILuvHats he/him Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Calderis said: The Tai-na (reshi isles) have four legs and a head. They seem more like gigantic turtles than anything else. Gigantic crustacean turtles. Turtle crabs. Almost sounds like an actual animal.
Vargo Seldon he/him Posted March 1, 2019 Author Posted March 1, 2019 I need to amend some of my previous statements. On 2/26/2019 at 9:19 AM, Vargo Seldon said: You're probably right, It is probably more of a barnacle, but I would still place it in phylum Mollusca. I don't think many mollusks have compound eyes, they're mostly simple. My point was just that the Rosharans probably placed it in a completely wrong catagory. This is untrue. Barnacles are not mollusks, but they are in fact Arthropods. So, the Rosharans did not place the santhid in the wrong category if it is like a giant barnacle. On 2/26/2019 at 9:19 AM, Vargo Seldon said: Many Arthropods have simple eyes, like crayfish and spiders. Crayfish have compound eyes. Doesn't really matter, but I hate to be in error. So that's it. Apparently, the santhid is in the right category according to the Rosharans, which kind of took me by surprise.
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