SlowAnimation Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 To start this off I understand that this is kind of a stretch so try and follow along and be patient with me lol. This whole theory revolves around the time Shallan meets Hoid for the the first time at the fair. In this Chapter Shallan observes Hoid slip something into his drink. Hoid drinks the contents of the drink and immediately turns and looks at Shallan in shock. Most people have concluded that he looked at shallan becuase he sense the presence of a Surgebinder near by. I believe that this is all misdirection and that there is more going on in this scene. Shallans role in this chapter is the problem solver. She has taken it upon her self to try and soothe her brothers emotions and get them back on a positive path. She first leaves to find Balat at the Gambling tent but is confronted by one of the house guard. She tells him that she wants to go to the gambling tents and he does not think that it is a good idea. Somehow Shallan manages to convince the man to let her go into the tents. While in the tents she finds her brother Balat who is watching the Axehound fights. She goes against his wishes and sets up a meeting between him and Elytia. He was not happy about this but then subsides and agrees to meet with her. Then she returns to her father and he is meeting with Hoid. This is where the aforementioned event happens earlier. She then leaves and finds Wickim in the carriage contemplating suicide. She tries in this moment to convince him that he can do more than just wait for the tirades of his father. She shows him that he can at least study and spend his time seeking knowledge instead of waiting for the displeasure of her father. He is not fully convinced and she flee's in tears. Later she speaks with Hoid and he shows her that Wickim is actually working on the math that Shallan prepared for him about the highstorms. So to come back around to my original point.I think the vial that Hoid had was the basic metals that all mistborn use. I believe that Hoid began to burn tin and bronze by natural instinct because it is common to do so among Mistborn. He then has sensation that another Allomancer is near by and looks directly to Shallan. Not expecting an Allomancer to be on Roshar or at least in his immediate vicinity he looks at her in surprise maybe even panic. He then realizes this small child is not the threat he first expects her to be and expunges the first feeling of danger/shock he originally had and continues his conversation with Lin. I believe that Shallan might actually be a Mistling and is unintentionally burning brass much like Vin in book one of the Mistborn trilogy. She might be doing it at such a minute amount that she doesn't actually realize what she is really doing. Furthermore Could her mother have suspected this as well and this be the reason that her and the other man tried to kill Shallan? Maybe she was not of Roshar herself and the man she talked to might not have been of the Skybreakers? Could it be that Shallan is actually a Mistling or maybe even more a Mistborn and does not know that she has the unique abilities. Maybe Hoid showing her how to use her Lightweaver powers for the reader is a misdirection to a larger reveal later in the overall story? Well there it is hopefully its not to nonsensical. Hopefully you have read this with an open mind and can give me some constructive criticism. 1
Quantus he/him Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 I doubt it for a lot of reasons, but it's not technically impossible since we have WOB that there are Kandra on Roshar. But Bronze can be used to detect all kinds of thing including Surges (and even tell the difference between them) and Hoid is supposed to be ungodly good at manipulating Investiture, so if anyone could detect it he could. 2
Niteshado he/him Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 44 minutes ago, Quantus said: Hoid is supposed to be ungodly good at manipulating Investiture, so if anyone could detect it he could. Hoid is technically a mistborn now, so he could just use bronze.
Quantus he/him Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, Ookla the Silent said: Hoid is technically a mistborn now, so he could just use bronze. That was what I was saying, he has bronze and is better at using Investiture than just about anyone, if anyone can use it to detect subtle, less than kinetic Investiture it would be him.
Calderis he/him Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 Considering her lineage? No, it's not. Allomantic ability is tied directly to Spiritual heredity. SA takes place very close to Era 2 of Mistborn, in which being a misting is still a fairly low probability wen both of your parents are from the lineage of the originators. For Shallan to be a misting would require enough scadrian blood to make her look noticeably out of place from the ethnicities of Roshar. 1
Quantus he/him Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Calderis said: Considering her lineage? No, it's not. Allomantic ability is tied directly to Spiritual heredity. SA takes place very close to Era 2 of Mistborn, in which being a misting is still a fairly low probability wen both of your parents are from the lineage of the originators. For Shallan to be a misting would require enough scadrian blood to make her look noticeably out of place from the ethnicities of Roshar. Oh right...genetics are a thing. Is there Red Hair on Scadrial? Per this WOB Red Hair on Roshar indicates distant Singer heritage, specifically in Shallan.
Niteshado he/him Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Quantus said: That was what I was saying, he has bronze and is better at using Investiture than just about anyone, if anyone can use it to detect subtle, less than kinetic Investiture it would be him. Gotcha! you would be extremely correct 7 hours ago, Calderis said: SA takes place very close to Era 2 of Mistborn Arc 2, kaladin is fighting in the sky and all the sudden...a giant tube of metal comes space and lands!
Scion of the Mists Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 @SlowAnimation you have things almost exactly right, except replace Misting with Radiant. We know that Shallan became a Surgebinder during her childhood and then regressed prior to the books starting. Hoid detected her Lightweaving abilities. Her mom/her mom's Skybreaker friend tried to kill her because she was a budding Surgebinder, which was the Skybreaker's whole goal. Plus, we know that Brandon is striving for his current series to be fairly self-contained (i.e. independent of the rest of the Cosmere). There's already 10 different Radiant orders, various kinds of fabrials, the Old Magic, plus whatever Voidbinding is. Shallan randomly pulling a brand new type of magic out of her hat would be super confusing to the majority of readers. 1 hour ago, Ookla the Silent said: Hoid is technically a mistborn now, so he could just use bronze. Hoid has not been confirmed to be a Mistborn, just a Misting. P.s. @Ookla the Silent double posting is against the Forum Rules. If you want to add a thought to your previous post, you can just hit the "edit" button. 1
Quantus he/him Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ookla the Silent said: Arc 2, kaladin is fighting in the sky and all the sudden...a giant tube of metal comes space and lands! Nah, that would be Era 4. Sooo: Kaladin is fighting in the sky and gets shot by an aluminum-shot blunderbuss.
Niteshado he/him Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Scion of the Mists said: Hoid has not been confirmed to be a Mistborn, just a Misting. P.s. @Ookla the Silent double posting is against the Forum Rules. If you want to add a thought to your previous post, you can just hit the "edit" button. He had the Lerasium bead, thought it was said he was a mistborn.. And i didnt even realize i double posted lol
Scion of the Mists Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ookla the Silent said: He had the Lerasium bead, thought it was said he was a mistborn.. He refuses to say whether or not he consumed the whole bead (making him a full Mistborn) or if he alloyed part of it with Brass/Zinc to become a Misting. He's consistently said things like "if he were to have used it," refers to Hoid being an Allomancer (not a Mistborn), etc. Personally, I think he probably is a Mistborn (why would you not choose that option) and that this is another "Man Called Taln" all over again. 2
SlowAnimation Posted December 20, 2018 Author Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) @Scion of the mists I mean it agree i makes more sense that he could tell she was a Radiant and could maybe tell she had already said the second ideal but it was just an theory for fun. Im just glad people have already jumped on the topic and conversed about it. P.s. i couldnt actually link your name yet because im new to the forums Edited December 20, 2018 by SlowAnimation 1
Quantus he/him Posted December 20, 2018 Posted December 20, 2018 59 minutes ago, Scion of the Mists said: Personally, I think he probably is a Mistborn (why would you not choose that option) and that this is another "Man Called Taln" all over again. Quality vs Quantity, as I understand it if you used an equal amount of Lerasium alloyed to a single metal, you get a misting that is stronger in that metal than the full Mistborn would be (though I would doubt that it is a linear 16x). The ol' Jack of all Trades, Master of None, and all that.
Jugulum Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 On 12/20/2018 at 8:44 AM, Scion of the Mists said: He refuses to say whether or not he consumed the whole bead (making him a full Mistborn) or if he alloyed part of it with Brass/Zinc to become a Misting. He's consistently said things like "if he were to have used it," refers to Hoid being an Allomancer (not a Mistborn), etc. Personally, I think he probably is a Mistborn (why would you not choose that option) and that this is another "Man Called Taln" all over again. Good news, everyone! It is WOB-confirmed! Hoid ate the bead, is a mistborn. Hmm, the forum won't let me post the link, I'm too new. It's at the wob-coppermind-net site, /events/377-idaho-falls-signing/#e12210
Scion of the Mists Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 12 hours ago, Jugulum said: Good news, everyone! It is WOB-confirmed! Hoid ate the bead, is a mistborn. Hmm, the forum won't let me post the link, I'm too new. It's at the wob-coppermind-net site, /events/377-idaho-falls-signing/#e12210 Yup, that came out a while ago. Good to finally have confirmation!
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