Singer Shardbearers and Silence

[Quantus he/him]

Parshendi used shards historically.  Does that seem odd to anyone else?  I would have thought any parshendi in a spren-based form would hear the same screams. 

[ND103]

Well not necessarily... I would think any Parshendi in spren based form where the spren was a radiant spren would hear them which we haven't seen an example of yet. If it's normal spren I would imagine that doesn't hold true. 

 

It might not be true even with radiant spren... I imagine with humans it's a case of - they have a crack in the soul. That crack is filled in part by the radiant spren as they start bonding. That part of the spren that's filling that crack makes them hear the scream because presumably the dead eye is trying to reach that same crack. 

With the singers, they have a gem heart to take the spren so it's possible that that mechanism simply wouldn't work. 

[Quantus he/him]

2 minutes ago, ND103 said:

Well not necessarily... I would think any Parshendi in spren based form where the spren was a radiant spren would hear them which we haven't seen an example of yet. If it's normal spren I would imagine that doesn't hold true. 

 

It might not be true even with radiant spren... I imagine with humans it's a case of - they have a crack in the soul. That crack is filled in part by the radiant spren as they start bonding. That part of the spren that's filling that crack makes them hear the scream because presumably the dead eye is trying to reach that same crack. 

With the singers, they have a gem heart to take the spren so it's possible that that mechanism simply wouldn't work. 

The spren of the Singer Radiant doesnt reside in the Gemheart the way the Form-granting spren does.  I assume this is the difference, since it's presumably not as deep a connection as a Nahel bond, and given that it doesnt reside in the gemheart (and ultimately couldnt and still manifest as a blade) I have to think that such a Radiant still requires the same spiritual cracks. 

[Calderis he/him]

Radiants hear the screams because of a similarity between the bond that they have, and the bond that the spren lost. 

Singer form bonds are not the same, and do not create the same effect.

It is specifically those with a Nahel bond who cause the screams in a dead blade on contact. 

[Quantus he/him]

17 hours ago, Ookla, the Hivemind said:

Radiants hear the screams because of a similarity between the bond that they have, and the bond that the spren lost. 

Singer form bonds are not the same, and do not create the same effect.

It is specifically those with a Nahel bond who cause the screams in a dead blade on contact. 

Exactly my point, Im sure why that is, as in both cases the person/singer has entered into symbiosis with a spren.  The only thing I can come up with is that if the Form-bonds are with lesser spren and not with the sapient-tier spren involved in all Nahel Bonds.  That would fit with the fact that Plate (strongly hinted to be made of lesser spren) do not cause the same issue.