Not Really Immortality

[A Joe in the Bush]

Eternal Life: Often by use of an Unaging Body and Mind. Considered Impossible Without Acsess to Atium, and Full Mistborn and Feruchemist Powers. No Longer Viable.

 

Immortality: Eternal life of You. Your Conciousness. Body sold Seprately.

 

All you need to have Functionaly Imortality is two Feruchemists(One super old, and one Young), 2 Aluminum Metal minds, and 2 Copperminds.

1. Have both Feruchemists Store Their Identity in their Aluminum Minds.
2. Have both Feruchemists Store the Entirety of their Memories.
3. The Younger Feruchemist Now taps all of the Older one's Identity and Memories.
4. Throw away the Younger One's Metalminds.

The Identity (Personality, Morales, Emotions) and Memories of the Older now Reside in the Younger! Ta daa!

[Blassphamy]

Can't use others metalminds.

[Cstryon he/him]

Well I guess it depends on what exactly storing identity means. Is identity your spiritual and cognitive self? And is storing anything accessible to this identity?

If so than we have something weird going on. If I stored my identity, then my physical self wouldn't have access to the metalmind anymore. But if using a metalmind technically just requires the ability, than having a blank identity would give me access to any metalmind.

[Two McMillion he/him]

Can't use others metalminds.

 

WoB is that there is a way to do this, which involves storing identity.

[A Joe in the Bush]

Can't use others metalminds.

THere's a WoB and a Theory Floating around that if you store enough Identity, You can access the Power of others.

[king of nowhere]

yes, you probably can do it. not a nice thing, thoug.

 

EDIT: also, I'm not sure how much storing memory would affect the personality. I mean, only memories are stored, not the kind of guy you are. while it is true that what kind of guy you are is largely influenced by your experiences (and thus memories), it's not so absolute. results vary from being mostly yourself, and any difference with your pre-reincarnation self are undistinguishable from normal character development we undergo with life, to being a very different person who just happens to have the same memories.

 

Also, you need full feruchemists for that, and there aren't any of those left anyway.

Edited May 15, 2014 by king of nowhere

[Swimmingly he/him]

Repeated hemalugic spikings, ripping your soul apart, piece by piece, then jamming them into the blank template of a feruchemist who has stored all of his memories?

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

While this should theoretically work, you can't actually store to 100% for any trait, including memories and identity, so you wouldn't get the full package.

[Swimmingly he/him]

Memories are weird, though. You don't store your capacity for memory. You store your actual memories. So it might be possible to put them in copperminds, one at a time.

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

Memories are weird, though. You don't store your capacity for memory. You store your actual memories. So it might be possible to put them in copperminds, one at a time.

You still probably can't store identity down to zero, however.

[GreyPilgrim he/him]

You still probably can't store identity down to zero, however.

 

Why ever not, though? Yeah, it makes sense that you can't store all your weight or age or health. But Identity? I can't see why not. We really have no idea what is really meant by "storing identity". I mean, what is identity? The way one thinks about oneself, how one views oneself. Therefore, identity must be a Cognitive trait. You can't fully store all of your Physical traits; there would be nothing left of you, and that makes no sense. Yes, the physics (if that's even the right term) of the other Realms might not necessarily work the same way as that of the Physical Realm, but I don't see why one cannot store all of one's identity. One would be very strange after doing so, and it may be very hard to direct them to do anything, but I still don't see it as impossible.

 

The way I see it, there is no way that one could tap another's metalmind without having their identity totally at zero. Even if you had a very, very tiny bit of identity, I bet it would conflict enough with the identity signature of the other Feruchemist's metalmind. Conversely, even if you had that puny bit of identity, it would be enough to stop anyone except for one with zero identity from accessing it.

[A Joe in the Bush]

I mean that the Young Feruchemist Stores as much of his Identity as he can, then taps a Huge amount of the other man's Identity, basically replacing his. Then He stores all his Memories, taps the Other dudes, and throws his own away.

 

If you don't have two full feruchemists, then get two Trueselves, (Aluminum Ferrings) and a Copper spike, do they Same thing, but use the Spike to steal the Older man's memories, and install them in the Head of the Younger one.

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

Why ever not, though? Yeah, it makes sense that you can't store all your weight or age or health. But Identity? I can't see why not. We really have no idea what is really meant by "storing identity". I mean, what is identity? The way one thinks about oneself, how one views oneself. Therefore, identity must be a Cognitive trait. You can't fully store all of your Physical traits; there would be nothing left of you, and that makes no sense. Yes, the physics (if that's even the right term) of the other Realms might not necessarily work the same way as that of the Physical Realm, but I don't see why one cannot store all of one's identity. One would be very strange after doing so, and it may be very hard to direct them to do anything, but I still don't see it as impossible.

 

The way I see it, there is no way that one could tap another's metalmind without having their identity totally at zero. Even if you had a very, very tiny bit of identity, I bet it would conflict enough with the identity signature of the other Feruchemist's metalmind. Conversely, even if you had that puny bit of identity, it would be enough to stop anyone except for one with zero identity from accessing it.

You have a point, I suppose. The WoB on this matter is much weaker here than I thought.

THOUGHTFUL SPURTS

If there's really no upper limit to feruchemy for practical reasons* , why didn't Sazed just fill steel at ridiculous levels for a few minutes in WoA, and then go back to running instead of leaving his steelminds there?Say, being some 100,000 times slower than he would normally be for about a minute. Meaning that a feruchemist should be able to fill a given metalmind in very short periods of time if you fill at a high enough rate.

BRANDON SANDERSON

The low end is bounded. You can pull out tons--but in filling, you can only go so far. I didn't ever explicitly talk about this in the series, but the implications are there. Not all have the same bounds, but in your example, the body just can't slow beyond a certain point. Think of it this way--you can only fill a weight metalmind with as much weight as you have to give. So you can become very, very light--but you only add to a time for doubling your weight. You can't make yourself 100,000 times slower and gain 100,000 times multiplication. You can give up all of your normal speed, and so when you tap that speed out you are at 200% for an equal period. (And that's a theoretical maximum; realistically, you can only go to down around 75% slower or the like.)

[GreyPilgrim he/him]

Although I made a mistake in my reasoning: Storing Identity is actually one of the Spiritual Feruchemical powers. However, I don't think that necessarily changes whether or not one can store it all. That quote focuses entirely on storing Physical traits, so it doesn't necessarily say that one cannot store all of a trait (which is what I guess you were saying when you said the WoB was weak).