[THEORY] Lightweavers and Truthwatchers

[animalia]

My theory on why the Lightweavers and Truthwatchers are so close together on the Knight Radiant chart has to do with the fine line between the Truth and a Lie.

We’ve seen that Cryptics are attrcted to anything that is NOT literally true, and we’ve seen how Shallan uses lies to inspire people. What little we know about the Truthwatchers was that they had a great deal of tact.

 I don’t know how Renarin differs from a standard Truthwatcher but as someone on the Autistic spectrum, although at a different point on it then he is (I was diagnosed with Asperger’s before it was rolled up under the umbrella in the latested DSM, so think more like Steris from Wax and Wayne) I can tell you about my relationship with the Truth.

Not only does telling a lie have a strong effect on my concious, but so does not telling the whole truth. Leaving out details. Even the type of details that would make people uncomfortable. To use the sterotype here, don’t ask me if you look fat, unless you really want to know if you think you look fat. I won’t judge you for it or anything as I am overweight myself. But if you ask the question expect the answer. This is because, first off from my perspective, how am I supposed to tell if you are one if the people who fits the stereotype, or someone who genuinely wants to know if they look fat? If you are the latter then I am answering the question you asked, if you are the former, well “why did you ask a question if you didn’t want an answer in the first place?” At least that how it feels to me. 

It frustrates me. But I have come to realize that for much as people CLAIM they want the truth they often only want it when it clings to their point of view.

 

That being said I can leave out details or give selective answers if I HAVE to but even something that is TECHNICALLY true rather than a flat out lie, will still bug because feels manipulative not telling the whole truth.

 

Here’s where theory time comes into play. What if the difference between Lightweavers and Truthwatchers is such.

Lightweavers are both broken by lies AND able to out and lie. But they also are able to inspire and hold things together by telling lies. They believe that everything about themselves is a lie. (Ironically they progress by telling truths.) 

 

(uber speculation)

Truthwatchers on the other hand might still TECHNICALLY TELL the truth but by not TELLING the whole truth. They FEEL like they are lieing. The fact that they have to bend the truth in order to save others is what breaks them.

 

That’s my theory.

 

P.S. I am doing a reread and rereading sections with Renarin more closely. Anything I see that could help or hinder I will let you know.

 

 

Edited November 4, 2018 by animalia

[Steel Inquisitive he/him]

This theory feels right to me. It would mirror the way both skybreakers and windrunners want to do what is RIGHT; with one side doing what feels right to them while the other side does what is right according to the law. 

[animalia]

Another thing I'd like to add. That they BOTH seem to be about POSSIBILITIES. At least that's how I view the surge of illumination which they share. On one hand you don't don't if someone WILL become a better person if you encourage it in them. on the other hand you don't know that they will NOT become a better person either. BOTH have possibilities of becoming true. I guess the difference, if there is one, is how they LOOK at it. Which is probably why it's the SECOND surge for Truthwatchers instead of the first. Lightweavers see it as a lie they wish was the truth. Truthweavers see it as a hope for the future, something that as unlikely as possible, they HOPE will come true. OR Maybe I am just projecting to much of myself, and what Renarin MIGHT have gone through in here.  

In any case We have to keep in might that he is NOT an average Truthwatcher so the rules are probably different for him. Still I speculate as best I can.

[IllNsickly he/him]

Renarin.... Isn’t specifically a Truthwatcher... I am basing that solely on Glys being a Spren corrupted by Sja Anat. 

He is something different than a Truthwatcher. I do feel, however, based on what we have seen of him, that Truthwatchers are almost compelled to be starkly honest. 

Lightweavers and Crypitcs, though... Heheheheh...

Cryptics are attracted to the Truth, but in an odd way. They seem, to me, to already know the Truth. What draws them is how people skew or Veil (haha) the truth.

Pattern: “Mmm, A good lie.”

Shallan: “What makes it a good lie?”

Pattern: “Truuuth.”

 

*Disclaimer* I haven’t got a reference handy for that conversation, so i may have misquoted.

 

[animalia]

2 minutes ago, IllNsickly said:

Renarin.... Isn’t specifically a Truthwatcher... I am basing that solely on Glys being a Spren corrupted by Sja Anat. 

He is something different than a Truthwatcher. I do feel, however, based on what we have seen of him, that Truthwatchers are almost compelled to be starkly honest. 

Lightweavers and Crypitcs, though... Heheheheh...

Cryptics are attracted to the Truth, but in an odd way. They seem, to me, to already know the Truth. What draws them is how people skew or Veil (haha) the truth.

Pattern: “Mmm, A good lie.”

Shallan: “What makes it a good lie?”

Pattern: “Truuuth.”

 

*Disclaimer* I haven’t got a reference handy for that conversation, so i may have misquoted.

 

Maybe because of the corruption he has to do his vows in reverse order, or something to that effect?

[IllNsickly he/him]

@animalia

As with many things I have posited here, I am likely mistaken, but here it is anyway..

I suppose I am not prepared to speculate on the nature of Glys’ corruption and the difference between Renarin’s Bond and an uncorrupted Truthwatcher Bond. I just feel like he isn’t what a genuine Truthwatcher should be.

And, Alas... If his Ideals were reversed, he would already have Shardplate.

 

 

 

[Scion of the Mists]

I think the reason that Lightweavers and Truthwatchers are next to each other on the Radiant Chart is that they share a Surge: Illumination.  

[Lulume she/her]

 Lightweavers and Truthwatchers must have some thing about it or the surge of illumination that there are to feel when an unmade is active. There are the only 2 of the radiance that knew something was off about the tower.

[Gasper he/him]

17 minutes ago, Lulume said:

knew something was off about the tower.

I think this is because they are very close to the cognitive realm. Also, both of them have had experiences with Unmade.