Aluminum plus Steelpush/Ironpull?

[Kilthal]

Since in Alloy of Law Wax can't sense aluminum or Push on it, what would happen Allomantically speaking if you tried to Push or Pull on a metal that is completely encased in aluminum?

[A Joe in the Bush]

Well, An aluminum hat stops people from being affected by Emotional Allomancy, So I imagine you couldn't allomance (Yes that's a Verb) Through an Aluminum Wall

Edited May 8, 2014 by The Only Joe

[MistLord he/him]

Huh. Wonder what's the point of having entirely aluminium bullets if you could just use an aluminium jacket for each of them (a lot cheaper). Maybe they can still be Pushed/Pulled, but it's a lot harder?

[Swimmingly he/him]

Maybe Aluminium only shields emotional Allomancy, then?

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

Maybe Aluminium only shields emotional Allomancy, then?

Or maybe the Soothers/Rioters just aren't normally strong enough to break through.

[Pathfinder]

Maybe it is determinate based on the amount. Thin layer isn't enough to block the metal inside. Does anyone recall how thick the aluminum bands were in the hats? Like I have pictured in my head a head band kinda thickness, otherwise the aluminum would crumble easily if it was just lining it. Then again I am comparing it to aluminum foil in my head so that analogy could be faulty. Though one other thing, would an aluminum jacket stay intact when fired from a gun? and couldn't a gun covered in aluminum get scratched wearing away the aluminum covering?

[Shaggai]

Most people aren't going to be Pushing or Pulling very hard with emotional Allomancy, because doing so makes it less effective. Whereas with Allomantic steel and Allomantic iron, they'll be Pushing and Pulling much harder. Also, the passive abilities of Allomantic steel and Allomantic iron can be useful. It's possible that Coinshots and Lurchers would be able to sense the bullet, even if they couldn't affect its course.

[Tempus]

With Emotional Allomancy, a coppercloud protects them. With enhanced Allomantic strength like Elend or a hemalurgic spike, you can affect them anyway. It's possible that Aluminium affects Allomancy in this fashion - the higher the concentration, the more the resistance.

 

It's also possible that the bullets WERE only aluminium shelled, and they just call em' that. Just like we pretend our dimes are made of silver, our nickels of nickel, and our old gold coins were made of gold. But they were all alloys or plated.

[Pathfinder]

Most people aren't going to be Pushing or Pulling very hard with emotional Allomancy, because doing so makes it less effective. Whereas with Allomantic steel and Allomantic iron, they'll be Pushing and Pulling much harder. Also, the passive abilities of Allomantic steel and Allomantic iron can be useful. It's possible that Coinshots and Lurchers would be able to sense the bullet, even if they couldn't affect its course.

 

I agree with your conclusion but disagree with your methodology. Just because you wouldn't NORMALLY push or pull very hard, doesn't mean that when you meet resistance, you wouldn't push or pull HARDER. 

 

With Emotional Allomancy, a coppercloud protects them. With enhanced Allomantic strength like Elend or a hemalurgic spike, you can affect them anyway. It's possible that Aluminium affects Allomancy in this fashion - the higher the concentration, the more the resistance.

 

It's also possible that the bullets WERE only aluminium shelled, and they just call em' that. Just like we pretend our dimes are made of silver, our nickels of nickel, and our old gold coins were made of gold. But they were all alloys or plated.

The only problem with this logic is at this point in time, the general populace knows of no one with the strength of Elend, or with hemalurgic spikes. Unless the Set is expecting to go against anyone with either of those attributes (which they very well may, ie Marsh), otherwise it wouldn't make sense to prepare against something that the population at the time deems legend (example just about everyone in the beginning of Way of Kings against Szeth)

 

edit: again I want to stress, I agree with the both of you that the concentration might have something to do with it, and I don't mean to sound critical/saying you are wrong. I am throwing the ideas around skeptically to try to help narrow down why.

Edited May 8, 2014 by P4thf1nd3r

[Curiosity he/him]

It seems like aluminum (used allomantically) is anti-Investiture. Not innate Investiture, but rather foreign Investiture. I remember reading a WoB somewhere that an aluminum savant (however that might occur) might be able to remove any or all forms of foreign Investiture from their body. This might not be very relevant, but it might shed light on what exactly aluminum's properties are. 

 

If aluminum-foil hats prevent Soothing and Rioting (external mental metals) and aluminum objects are invulnerable to pushing and pulling (external physical metals), then maybe aluminum can somehow prevent-time bubbles (external temporal metals)?

[Pathfinder]

It seems like aluminum (used allomantically) is anti-Investiture. Not innate Investiture, but rather foreign Investiture. I remember reading a WoB somewhere that an aluminum savant (however that might occur) might be able to remove any or all forms of foreign Investiture from their body. This might not be very relevant, but it might shed light on what exactly aluminum's properties are. 

 

If aluminum-foil hats prevent Soothing and Rioting (external mental metals) and aluminum objects are invulnerable to pushing and pulling (external physical metals), then maybe aluminum can somehow prevent-time bubbles (external temporal metals)?

Don't have time to fully think of the implications, but the affect of aluminum on time bubbles is an awesome point! Upvote! (and now I am going to be thinking about this alllllllll day lol)

 

edit: I wonder if you were to shoot an aluminum bullet into a bendalloy or cadnium bubble would it dispel the bubble, or would the bullet just fly through unaffected? Not deflected?

Edited May 9, 2014 by P4thf1nd3r