Ripheus23 Posted September 25, 2018 Posted September 25, 2018 Hear ye, hear ye, atiumfoil-hat time! I firmly believe that Trell is 99% probably Autonomy (at least as far as the evidence is concerned). I'm even assuming that the Ones Aboves are from Scadrial and they end up going to the Patji/Aviar world in pursuit of Autonomy (after it is disclosed that she was Trell and tried to destroy Scadrial, etc.). However... The last of MBE2 will be named The Lost Metal. I haven't read up on theories about what that metal will be, but my theory is that it will be malatium. That is, there are remnants of atium on Scadrial that have gone unnoticed due to their being alloyed with gold. Now, the religion of Trell was dualistic, and Miles thinks Trell created the world. This sounds a little like Ruin and Preservation, who did create the world in question. So, my theory is that the religion of Trell is Cognitively interfering with Harmony. They are implicitly worshiping Ruin as if Ruin were still a different person (had a Vessel separate from Preservation's), and this combined with Sazed's difficulties with holding the two Shards, has resulted in some dimension of the Shard of Ruin acting "on its own," so to say. This pseudo-Shard is pursuing Ruin's original plan, to the point that now Trell favors the extinction of Scadrial. I'm also going to propose that some alloy of atium is the metal that Bleeder's Spike was made from (I would've thought necessarily not if there was an explicit statement that Trellium is a godmetal, as if that were so then my theory would entail Trellium = Atium and of course Sazed would know about that one---but the WoBs are all worded to allow that there's an "association" and "you could call it that" and suchlike, which could be fit onto an atium alloy). Not necessarily malatium, as I feel Sazed would have known of this metal. But some other alloy, maybe with lerasium even (if that's remotely possible). The atium being in an alloy might help explain why Harmony can't "see" it or whatever, he being in a situation like Ruin was in relation to atium (during the MB1 final showdown), or some such. Now I also feel like there are probably a ton of holes in this notion, so prepare to sink my battleship (I'm lookin' at you Calderis and Weltall!).
PallonianFire he/him Posted September 25, 2018 Posted September 25, 2018 Quote Now, the religion of Trell was dualistic, and Miles thinks Trell created the world. This sounds a little like Ruin and Preservation, who did create the world in question. Trelagism was dualistic; Trellism, as the Era 2 religion, makes no mention of duality. There's a little possibility, though, that you could be on to something. We know that Ruin and Preservation were imbalanced, due to Preservation putting a bit of himself in humanity. And I swear there's a WoB where Brandon teases us about what Sazed did with that extra bit of Ruin...I just can't find it. I really thought he said "extra bit" but that's not popping up in my Arcanum search. So if that extra bit of Ruin was splintered off and gained sapience over 300 years, it could be going after Harmony. I do think it's Autonomy, though.
Calderis he/him Posted September 25, 2018 Posted September 25, 2018 @PallonianFire here's the one your thinking of. Quote rags How is Harmony balanced when a part of Preservation's power is expended on human sentience? Isn't that what caused all the trouble to begin with? Brandon Sanderson Indeed. Hm... What could Sazed be doing with that extra power... source 1
PallonianFire he/him Posted September 25, 2018 Posted September 25, 2018 Thaaat's the one. (It's also exceedingly likely that he's making new atium with it, IMO.)
goody153 Posted September 26, 2018 Posted September 26, 2018 17 hours ago, PallonianFire said: Thaaat's the one. (It's also exceedingly likely that he's making new atium with it, IMO.) About that .. Quote Questioner Before Preservation locked up Ruin, or whatever, or if Ruin had won. Would atium exist? Brandon Sanderson ...There are timelines where there would be no atium. Questioner ...So if Harmony exists, does atium exist? Brandon Sanderson Atium does not exist because there is no Ati. Well there is atium left over from before, but-- Questioner So it was only part of Ati's body and not part of Harmony's body. Brandon Sanderson There is no atium, there is no Preservation any longer, there is no Ati. Questioner So does harmonium exist? Brandon Sanderson ...There's no Leras and there's no Ati, there's no Ruin-- Questioner Does harmonium exist then? Brandon Sanderson Good question. source Quote Questioner I am also wondering, does atium actually still regenerate? Brandon Sanderson Atium does not regenerate. Questioner It stopped when-- Brandon Sanderson It stopped when Ati stopped existing. Yep. source Quote Kirrin Marsh? The book doesn't mention him after he fights with Elend. Brandon Sanderson Marsh is alive. I changed this from when I talked to [Peter]. I realized some things about his use of Allomancy that would allow him to survive. Actually, he is immortal. He can pull off the same Allomancy/Feruchemy trick that the Lord Ruler did. (And he knows it too, since he was there when Sazed explained how it was done in Book One.) He's actually the only living person who actually knows this trick for certain. (Though there's a chance that Spook, Ham and Breeze heard about it from Vin and the others.) So yes, if there were another series, Marsh would make an appearance. Douglas I thought that trick required atium and involved burning the atium. With all the atium gone and Sazed not making any more, it would therefore not be possible even for a full mistborn/feruchemist. Am I wrong, is Sazed providing atium specifically for Marsh to allow a friend and valuable servant to survive, or what? Brandon Sanderson Marsh has the bag of Atium that KanPaar sent to be sold, as well as several nuggets in his stomach. So, I guess 'immortal' is the wrong phrase. He's got the only remaining atium in the world and can keep himself around for a long, long while—but he WILL eventually run out. Unless Sazed does something. Footnote: Brandon had earlier told Peter that in his mind, Marsh was dead having been "burned out by the sun"source So Marsh has the last remaining Atium in the world. And judging from his wobs about Atium is unlikely produced. (I can't find the other wob that explicitly states harmony having no plans to produce Atium as of the moment) Unless of course that changes in the final wax&Wayne given it is clearly the titular metal.
PallonianFire he/him Posted September 26, 2018 Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, goody153 said: About that .. So Marsh has the last remaining Atium in the world. And judging from his wobs about Atium is unlikely produced. (I can't find the other wob that explicitly states harmony having no plans to produce Atium as of the moment) Unless of course that changes in the final wax&Wayne given it is clearly the titular metal. It won't naturally regenerate, because now we have harmonium. But that extra bit of power is 100% a Chekov's Gun, and more atium is certainly a possibility from that.
Calderis he/him Posted September 26, 2018 Posted September 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, PallonianFire said: It won't naturally regenerate, because now we have harmonium. But that extra bit of power is 100% a Chekov's Gun, and more atium is certainly a possibility from that. It's not. Something similar could be produced, but without Ati, there is no atium. Over time, even the effect produced might change. Quote Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) If Kelsier created a metal while holding Preservation that it would have acted the same as lerasium, though over time the properties of it might shift. Footnote: Unspecified question by Ted Hermansource
PallonianFire he/him Posted September 26, 2018 Posted September 26, 2018 Wow, new WoB. Nice, and with some interesting implications. For all intents and purposes for Era 2, it would be atium, though. IMO.
Yata he/him Posted September 26, 2018 Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) I still believe the Atium or a new form of the Ruin's godmetal will return to Scadrial from the residue of Ettmetal explosions. Anyway, returning to the OP, the idea of Trell as an hidden/secret part of Ruin who reached self awareness is ... Unlikely. Assuming Sazed wasn't lying he had no idea of what the Trellium is and if it's indeed a piece of himself... He can't ignore that. Then there is also the visual effect of Trell Influence, the red mist. Probably the image was raw but still rappresents an external assoult. Lastly if Trell was only ruin...there would not be red investiture at all, as everything will work under the usual Scadrial's investiture dynamics. Edited September 26, 2018 by Yata
Ripheus23 Posted September 26, 2018 Author Posted September 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, Yata said: Lastly if Trell was only ruin...there would not be red investiture at all, as everything will work under the usual Scadrial's investiture dynamics. This is the ultimate flaw in my rando theory. My only attempt at an explanation is that the pseudo-Shard still counts as a "hacker," in the sense that a person can use their computer normally but, if they were of a mind to, hack into it also.
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