Naurock Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 9 hours ago, Wreith said: I don't think he began getting better until Lift forced him to confront the reality of the Everstorm. Quote In that moment it seemed, strangely, that something within him emerged. It was stupid of [Lift] to think that...she could see a difference in his eyes. But she swore that she could. He seemed to focus, like a person waking up from a daze And the Nale we see in Oathbringer is significantly more forthcoming but less confident. He's painfully aware of his failings and he goes to significant length to ensure that the newest full Skybreaker doesn't swear to follow him. He is supporting the Singers because of oaths he hadn't taken the last time he faced them. But he made sure that Szeth was aware of this fact and free to choose to support the Humans. He confronted the reality of the Everstorm. Realized another Desolation was upon them and instead of doing what he and nine others took an oath to do, decided to side against the humans. I personally see that as going the getting worse.
+Child of Hodor Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, Naurock said: He confronted the reality of the Everstorm. Realized another Desolation was upon them and instead of doing what he and nine others took an oath to do, decided to side against the humans. I personally see that as going the getting worse. He’s getting dumber. When he broke down and cried at the end of Edgdancer then flew off to talk to Ishar I thought it would be a breakthrough moment and lead to positive change. He just found a new way of being breathtakingly stupid. He does seem to at least understand that he’s insane and is warning Szeth about it. But in the next breath he says Ishar is the only one still sane. Ishar (as Tezim) sounds like a raving lunatic in his message to Dalinar. Stormfather tells Dalinar that Ishar routinely stands out in the storm and screams obscenities at the storm. Nale is like “damnation, you’ve really got your stuff together, Ishar! How do you do it?” 1
Calderis he/him Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 @Child of Hodor Ash also thinks Taln is the most stable of them, and she seems much better than Nale. I think Ishar is a damned good liar. 1
+Child of Hodor Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Calderis said: @Child of Hodor Ash also thinks Taln is the most stable of them, and she seems much better than Nale. I think Ishar is a damned good liar. Yeah, they can clearly see each other’s madness except for his. Maybe he takes advantage of their residual respect for him as the trusted advisor he used to be. His crazy is really out in the open though, declaring himself god-king, demanding everyone worship him and waging war. He’s literally an old man yelling at clouds. Maybe he’s convinced them he’s doing an elaborate Andy Kaufman-esque bit. They think he’s Sasha Baron Cohen playing Borat. Edited September 14, 2018 by Child of Hodor 1
Steel Inquisitive he/him Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) Ishar DOES have it together more than some of them... I mean he's a king while the others are beggars, thieves, and madmen... And he seems to be the only one not hiding. he is still crazy of course Edited September 14, 2018 by Steel Inqusitive
goody153 Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 I think Nale has the plate but what reason would he have to casually show the readers he has the plate. So far none of the situation require him to show his plate.
+Child of Hodor Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 20 hours ago, RShara said: Nale hasn't really been in a situation where he'd need to summon Plate. He hasn't been in any battles or even gone after anyone that's any kind of a threat. I kind of have a notion that Nale is also rather cowardly at this point, despite his talk, since he never does go after potential surgebinders that might be a threat to him, like Kaladin. He doesn't follow up on Jasnah either. In WoR prologue we see Jasnah meet Ivory in the cognitive realm. Later she bumps into Nale and Kalak and Nale looks at her suspiciously and starts walking towards her until Kalak pulls him away. He suspected she was bonding a spren and didn't follow up on it for 6 years. Maybe he couldn't find a law she broke that he could execute her for. As a princess she might be above most laws in Alethkar and in other lands she is a foreign dignitary with "diplomatic immunity"
cfphelps he/him Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 1:18 PM, Spicker said: I am just throwing this out there, do we actually see Nale use stormlight at any point? Well we see him fly which would require stormlight to power the surge, unless the Herald's using Honor Blades are still somehow directly connected to Honor's investiture.
Wreith he/him Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 2 hours ago, cfphelps said: Well we see him fly which would require stormlight to power the surge, unless the Herald's using Honor Blades are still somehow directly connected to Honor's investiture. This isn't sufficient for Spicker's actual question: On 9/12/2018 at 0:18 PM, Spicker said: I am just throwing this out there, do we actually see Nale use stormlight at any point? Or see his spren? (During one of his chases of lift maybe? I really need to reread the parts with him in it, because I honestly can't remember) Is there anything beside his word that confirms that he is a skybreaker and not just a herald? Any use of stormlight can be attributed to him having reclaimed his honorblade, which is confirmed by Szeth.
+Child of Hodor Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wreith said: This isn't sufficient for Spicker's actual question: Any use of stormlight can be attributed to him having reclaimed his honorblade, which is confirmed by Szeth. He could be lying about it, there is no independent verification. I went back to where he summoned his blade to see if it mentions a gemstone on the pommel, dead blades can only be summoned if they are bonded and they need a gemstone for that. It doesn't describe the blade pommel, so that doesn't help. It could be a dead blade. Quote Nin held out his empty left hand. A Shardblade appeared there, different and distinct from the Honorblade he carried in the other hand. “I am not only a Herald, but a Skybreaker of the Fifth Ideal. Though I was originally skeptical of the Radiants, I believe I am the only one who eventually joined his own order. I assume he actually did join, because it seems pointless to lie about it. Maybe he pretended to join to hold sway over the Skybreakers, but he is already their Herald they'd follow him if he didn't bond a spren. Heralds aren't above doing pointless, crazy things but Nale's particular brand of crazy is interpreting the law in messed up ways to do terrible things. He follows the letter of the law while intentionally violating the spirit of the law for his own purposes. A person who fanatically follows the letter of the law could attract a Skybreaker spren, even if they are a psycho whose killed tons of people. (i.e. Szeth ) Edited September 14, 2018 by Child of Hodor
Jace21 he/him Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 I can't believe I never realised this.... Thinking about it though, I am in the camp that he does have it, but just hasn't needed it yet. I suspect that if Nale has to get into a serious fight we will see a Herald in living plate, dual wielding a shardblade and honorblade with full mastery of his surges, which are among the best for battle. Which will be frickin' awesome. I pay so much money to have a sane Taln with his blade throw it down against Nale. 1
cfphelps he/him Posted September 15, 2018 Posted September 15, 2018 6 hours ago, Wreith said: This isn't sufficient for Spicker's actual question: Any use of stormlight can be attributed to him having reclaimed his honorblade, which is confirmed by Szeth. It's a tough question to answer though. If you believe he has the honor blade in order to surgebind, then no observation of him using storm light would prove he's a radiant. Szeth sucks in stormlight and lashes before summoning his blade in tWoK prologue, so being bonded to it is enough. Therefore whether or not he has his blade out, the honor blade lets him use stormlight. If you don't believe he has any honor blade then any use of stormlight confirms his bond.
Nymeros Posted September 15, 2018 Posted September 15, 2018 On 9/13/2018 at 7:19 PM, Naurock said: He confronted the reality of the Everstorm. Realized another Desolation was upon them and instead of doing what he and nine others took an oath to do, decided to side against the humans. I personally see that as going the getting worse. Nale had already decided to side with Odium and the Singers if it came to it. I'm not sure what madness lies in simply picking a side. Ishar is full of poop and a great actor.
Stormfather-in-Law Posted September 15, 2018 Posted September 15, 2018 Since when have we seen Nale in fear of his life? Even when drawing his blade, he's always been using it to pick on those weaker then him.
Aeshdan he/him Posted September 15, 2018 Posted September 15, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 9:35 AM, cantabile21 said: Actually... do we have anyone else's word that Nale is indeed a Skybreaker of the Fifth Oath? i mean, the Skybreakers may adhere to the law to the letter, but if the law doesn't say anything about lying...?? Just a crazy thought! That is a good point, actually. We know he has a second Shardblade, in addition to his Honorblade, but that might be a deadeyes (I don't know if Szeth would know the difference between a living and a dead Blade).
Jace21 he/him Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 2 hours ago, ReaderAt2046 said: That is a good point, actually. We know he has a second Shardblade, in addition to his Honorblade, but that might be a deadeyes (I don't know if Szeth would know the difference between a living and a dead Blade). I dont have access to my book right now but did it glow? As far as I know that is the only way of telling the difference without touching it or seeing it change shape.
Aeshdan he/him Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 2 hours ago, ReaderAt2046 said: That is a good point, actually. We know he has a second Shardblade, in addition to his Honorblade, but that might be a deadeyes (I don't know if Szeth would know the difference between a living and a dead Blade). 11 minutes ago, Jace21 said: I dont have access to my book right now but did it glow? As far as I know that is the only way of telling the difference without touching it or seeing it change shape. I looked it up recently, and I don't think it's described other than that it looks different from his Honorblade.
Yeshaya Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 As a general thing, is there any concept of Honorplate? I wonder if the Shardblades were intended to imitate the Honorblades, perhaps bonding an Honorblade gave you the ability to summon plate too. For the specific question I agree with all the people above that he hasn't really needed it yet, but I expect he could summon it.
CrazyRioter she/her Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Yeshaya said: As a general thing, is there any concept of Honorplate? I wonder if the Shardblades were intended to imitate the Honorblades, perhaps bonding an Honorblade gave you the ability to summon plate too. For the specific question I agree with all the people above that he hasn't really needed it yet, but I expect he could summon it. There's never been any mention of this, and as the Honorblades were remembered, albeit vaguely, if the Heralds had their own variety of Plate, I think it would have come up. 1
Calderis he/him Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Yeshaya said: As a general thing, is there any concept of Honorplate? I wonder if the Shardblades were intended to imitate the Honorblades, perhaps bonding an Honorblade gave you the ability to summon plate too. For the specific question I agree with all the people above that he hasn't really needed it yet, but I expect he could summon it. There's never been mention of plate for the Heralds in the books, and in the prelude, we have this... Quote Jezrien?”The figure in white and blue glanced toward him. Even after all these centuries, Jezrien looked young, like a man barely into his thirtieth year. His short black beard was neatly trimmed, though his once-fine clothing was scorched and stained with blood. He folded his arms behind his back as he turned to Kalak. Jezrien's clothing was ruined in the battle, so it doesn't seem to have been covered by armor. We also have this WoB Quote WindRunner88 [PENDING REVIEW] (paraphrased) So far during the Stormlight Archive we've seen that the spren bond appears to have some distinct advantages (i.e. armor, more efficient Stormlight consumption, access to a variety of weapons) over what Tanavast via the Oathpact provided the Heralds. With the exception of Nale, and the fact that the Heralds had no need for Stormlight, can you please tell me one way in which a Herald had a distinct advantage over a level 5 Radiant of their corresponding order? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] (paraphrased) Rebirth. (After seeing what must have been a crestfallen look on my face he added) The Heralds had access to raw levels of power that no Radiant could obtain. source Which, while not a confirmation, doesn't contradict the assumption that the Heralds didn't get armor. 1
Lenskij Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 On 14.09.2018 at 10:07 PM, Wreith said: This isn't sufficient for Spicker's actual question: Any use of stormlight can be attributed to him having reclaimed his honorblade, which is confirmed by Szeth. While that is true, if Nale uses his Honorblade, he should need far more stormlight, than normal KR, it would be noticeable. Even if he doesn't leak, like normal people, and hold it perfectly like full KR. 1
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