Will Kal give the Honorblade to Rlain so he can go lookfor & protect his people?

[SkyBringer]

Does it just grant ordinary windrunner powers?

Thought it might have more of a kick to it..

[Ketek]

Yeah, just Windrunner powers. Although each Honorblade is different.

 

And it's hinted that the Heralds have powers other than Surgebinding, which is what made them so powerful.

[SkyBringer]

Are those powers not granted via honorblade?

[Guest]

I am partial has to who will get the honorblade. I am tempted to say I think some darkeye from bridge 4 (I was thinking Theft as well) will most likely end up with it. I too doubt Kaladin would want to give it to some lighteye, even Adolin. I do not think Dalinar would order Kaladin to do anything specific with it as the blade is his and he should be able to do as he wish with it.

 

I believe Kaladin may go home with the honorblade and end up giving to someone he mets on the way there or to Theft.

 

Adolin, no way he will get that blade. Besides, he already has a nice special blade even though I am convinced he will loose it in the next book.

 

Rlain/Shen, no way Kaladin would give it to him, to much at stake. I do not know what will happen with the lost Parshendi, but I believe they may be the path to redemption for Eshonai. She does have unfinished business with Thudd. Rlain, I am still unsure as to where he fits in all this.

[Maffu17 he/him]

Szeth is headed there now  & I do not expect it to go well for all the Truthless Stone Shamans.      Also an Everstorm is about to hit them from the wrong direction, so the Shin will be in Big general trouble as well.     Shinovar is poorly adapted for Highstorms.    They have regular animals - chickens/horses and plants +++  that are not Highstorm adapted because the Highstorms that normally reach Shinovar have mostly worn out.      The Everstorm, will be coming from the wrong direction & Killing Earth like Plants & animals & converting Parishmen.  

 

Does Shinovar have many Parishmen?     I do not remember, but even if they don't - It will not be a good time in Shinovar tonight.

 

 

Shinovar has mountains to the west too, whoever designed it seemed to have some prophetic ability. Although without all the other land to sap it's power and coming fresh from the sea I don't know if the mountains will be enough. We haven't seen any Parshmen in Shinovar yet, but that doesn't mean they don't have them.

[Kasimir he/him]

Maffu17, on 19 Apr 2014 - 12:44 AM, said:

Shinovar has mountains to the west too, whoever designed it seemed to have some prophetic ability. Although without all the other land to sap it's power and coming fresh from the sea I don't know if the mountains will be enough. We haven't seen any Parshmen in Shinovar yet, but that doesn't mean they don't have them.

I was under the impression the storms were going to hit Shinovar from the east? :S

[Wherethewindgoes]

I was under the impression the storms were going to hit Shinovar from the east? :S

 

The Everstorm travels west to east, so it will go around the world and hit Shinovar from the west.

[Ketek]

 

Are those powers not granted via honorblade? 

 

Apparently not. The Heralds have lived for 4.5 millenia and Taln has shown the ability to catch two darts with superhuman reflexes, so...

[Arin he/him]

Szeth is headed there now  & I do not expect it to go well for all the Truthless Stone Shamans.      Also an Everstorm is about to hit them from the wrong direction, so the Shin will be in Big general trouble as well.     Shinovar is poorly adapted for Highstorms.    They have regular animals - chickens/horses and plants +++  that are not Highstorm adapted because the Highstorms that normally reach Shinovar have mostly worn out.      The Everstorm, will be coming from the wrong direction & Killing Earth like Plants & animals & converting Parishmen.  

 

Does Shinovar have many Parishmen?     I do not remember, but even if they don't - It will not be a good time in Shinovar tonight.

I think that Szeth will find that the stone shaman are actually the order of KR Stonewards, waiting for 4500 years for Taln to return.

[Kasimir he/him]

Wherethewindgoes, on 19 Apr 2014 - 01:05 AM, said:

The Everstorm travels west to east, so it will go around the world and hit Shinovar from the west.

My bad, thank you!

[RShara she/her]

Here ya go about Heralds, and their Honorblades

 

Q:  If a non Windrunner picked up Jezrien's honorblade would they gain Windrunner powers as well?
A:  Yes
Q:  If a Windrunner picked up that blade, would their abilities be enhanced?
A:  There would be some compounding but strength is not as much an issue with surgebinding as is the strength of the spren bond and how much Stormlight you are using.

Q:  Can the Heralds Surgebind without their Blades and if not are they under the same restrictions that others are.
A:  The Heralds without their Blades are incapable of the powers you're familiar with.  It doesn't mean there aren't other things they can do.

[Arin he/him]

Ketek, this is to your points...

I dont know about the Bondsmith bonding only special spren. Dalinar did, but before the Heralds left, Honor was still around so who was there to bond with? Was the highstorm a spren then?

I understand your point on Bondsmiths having leader qualities, but they seem more like neegotiators and liasons between the KR leaders, Heralds and kings.

And the visions have gone to others, not just Dalinar. He did something about them so that makes him special, but a farmer (i think he was a farmer), Gavilar and probably a lot more.

I think it is significant that the oaths were forced onto the KR. The Heralds made them less independant to act so their oaths will keep them at odds with eachother. That is why I hope Dalnar sees this and removes or changes the limits the Herald's placed on them. What other kingdom in Roshar will like that the Alethi have KR and a highprince rules over them?

[Ketek]

Ketek, this is to your points...

I dont know about the Bondsmith bonding only special spren. Dalinar did, but before the Heralds left, Honor was still around so who was there to bond with? Was the highstorm a spren then? 

I understand your point on Bondsmiths having leader qualities, but they seem more like neegotiators and liasons between the KR leaders, Heralds and kings. 

And the visions have gone to others, not just Dalinar. He did something about them so that makes him special, but a farmer (i think he was a farmer), Gavilar and probably a lot more.

I think it is significant that the oaths were forced onto the KR. The Heralds made them less independant to act so their oaths will keep them at odds with eachother. That is why I hope Dalnar sees this and removes or changes the limits the Herald's placed on them. What other kingdom in Roshar will like that the Alethi have KR and a highprince rules over them? 

 

I think the Stormfather was around even before Honor died, since he personified the belief humanity had in him.

 

Yes, I agree about the liason part. They are the politicians - and politicians are pretty much the leaders anyway.

 

Perhaps the vision going to others means that they were worthy of being a Bondsmith? Could have been a 'cast your net wide and catch what you can' gambit by the Stormfather.

 

I heavily disagree with the Heralds making them less independent, though. The oaths were given to the Surgebinders to prevent them from abusing their power, not just to keep them at odds with each other. That's the last thing you want in a war - they'd lose the Desolations if that had been the intent. The Bondsmiths likely help to smoothen any conflict of oaths, since their own oath is literally to unite instead of divide.

 

And I think the Radiants will end up being an independent organization. Right now, it's about surviving; the niggling details can be settled when alliances are being made.

Edited April 18, 2014 by Ketek

[Kasimir he/him]

Ketek, on 19 Apr 2014 - 02:18 AM, said:

I think the Stormfather was around even before Honor died, since he personified the belief humanity had in him.

Yes, I agree about the liason part. They are the politicians - and politicians are pretty much the leaders anyway.

Perhaps the vision going to others means that they were worthy of being a Bondsmith? Could have been a 'cast your net wide and catch what you can' gambit by the Stormfather.

I heavily disagree with the Heralds making them less independent, though. The oaths were given to the Surgebinders to prevent them from abusing their power, not just to keep them at odds with each other. That's the last thing you want in a war - they'd lose the Desolations if that had been the intent. The Bondsmiths likely help to smoothen any conflict of oaths, since their own oath is literally to unite instead of divide.

And I think the Radiants will end up being an independent organization. Right now, it's about surviving; the niggling details can be settled when alliances are being made.

To be fair, this could be a point in favour of the 'Adolin doesn't become a KR' camp. With his father and brother as KRs, it may be the case that eventually, as they hash out a functioning structure, the KRs have to separate themselves from Alethi structures. On this view, the papers that Dalinar draws out to make Adolin the Highprince and to abdicate would be sort of prescient. He may have to eventually abdicate, and there's only one person left in the Kholins who is capable of being Highprince without also being a KR. Adolin.

At this point in time, I don't think we have enough evidence to suggest that the Heralds were trying to cripple KR independence. We have some indication that some KR orders (notably the Skybreakers) seemed to have petitioned the Heralds to serve as their patrons, although Nalan was the last hold-out. I'm more inclined to go with Ketek here: the oaths were to give a form of structure. Yes, technically, it's less independence, but I think that without oaths, you just don't have a functioning order. There's nothing that holds them all together. (And isn't that what Honour is about? The forces that bind men together. Like oaths.) I like Ketek's idea that therefore the unifying aspect of the Bondsmiths is what makes the KRs work. If we see them as the politicians and the diplomats, the Skybreakers are the MPs or the stick. They make sure hold-outs stay in line.

(P.S. I'm not sure if we can suspect from the need to stick KRs with oaths and structure them that there was something dangerous about unstructured, chaotic Surgebinding. Perhaps dangerous in the way Nalan has been referring to...)

My reading of the visions is that the Stormfather had to develop some form of a fledging Nahel(?) bond with those to whom he sent the visions. It may be that among all the spren, the godspren can bond more people, but generally don't want to. Now that Dalinar has officially spoken the oaths and strengthened the bond, it may very well be that no one else will be getting visions. And correct me if I'm wrong, but it does seem as though there's not much overlap between the people we currently know of who've gotten the visions:

Gavilar had them (?) and if they were the same visions, then they ended in 1167, on his assassination.

A middle-aged potter had them and if they were the same, they ended in 1173, as he "reported seeing strange dreams during highstorms during the last two years."

I would tentatively put Dalinar's visions as coming in 1173, since they're still recent enough by the time WoK opens.

[Simurgh]

Just a random thought that popped into my head reading this.  Could you imagine if he gave it (the honourblade) to Zahel?  Would be some nice symmetry there and would make for a nice exchange if Zahel and Szeth were to meet.

 

But what comes to my mind more frequently when thinking about this in the past is Szeths confidence that the blade would be recovered when he died Is someone else going to actively reclaim it now or is Szeth going to interrupt that by seeking his "justice".