Thoughts, Questions, and Potential Novel Insights

[Skryter]

I've just finished a re-read of Stormlight, Mistborn (Secret History, Era 2), and Arcanum Unbounded and stumbled across a few insights that may be novel.

While cursing Kaladin refers to Taln in either WoK or WoR as the "bearer of all agonies". I was wondering if Taln was known by this moniker before or after Aharietiam, and whether this has been discussed in a WoB. If the latter is true, this means that the Heralds breaking of the Oathpact, in some form, has become distilled in Rosharan culture and vernacular. What if the Vorin Church opposes Dalinar's preaching of Honor's death for reasons other than heresy. Could the upper hierarchy of the church in-fact be aware of the Herald's betrayal, and their rejection of a Dalinar a fear that the spread of this knowledge could further diminish their historically diminished power base?

In one of the Stormlight Epigraphs it refers to Urithiru as being placed westward "in the place nearest to Honor". We know that Urithiru's location differs drastically on a variety of in-world maps, and that it is located above the Highstorm. Could Urithiru be located near the Origin and or were Honors vessel resided at one point in the physical realm?

The Diagram speaks of "making to use a truthless" and "crafting a weapon". I posit this did not mean employing Szeth's services post Gavliars Assassination, but rather Taravangian had a direct role in orchestrating Szeth and his becoming a Truthless. This could be one reason why Mr T is proficient in the Shin language, which is noted by Szeth as being an oddity outside of Shinovar. This theory falls apart depending on when Mr T first visited the Nightwatcher, and I do recall this taking place after Gavilar's assassination.

As far as I understand spren (on Roshar) are the personification of forces manifest. Syll mentions that some of the ancient spren had four-genders, two not having being imaged by humans. We also know that before humans migrated to Roshar spren had a bond of sorts (pre-nahel) with the Dawnsigners. Does this mean that these extra two genders arose by the Dawnsingers personification of Spren, and were subsequently lost following the collective loss of the Dawnsingers identity post-recreance?

Why can Sja-anat corrupt greater or "true spren" (as per the Stormfathers distinction between the classification of spren) when it was said that she could only corrupt, as per the epigraph, lesser spren? Is this related to the weakening of the Oathpact? For example, in one of the Truthwatcher memory gems a radiant of that order mentions that they have seen the future; this is likely dated near the end of the Knights Radiat as a military organisation.

Are the "vines" Nightblood induces on its host when consuming that hosts investiture reminiscent of the way Cultivation and her "vines" interacted with Dalinar in their dialogue. Afair Nightblood was based upon Honorblades/Proto-Shardblades as per a WoB.

In Secret History, Leras gives Kelsier a vision where he sees an "image of an unfamiliar man sitting on a burning throne looking towards Luthadel with a twisted smile on his lips" (paraphrased). Is this Ruin, or could this be an early depiction of Trell granted by Fortune? Note that the evidence leads towards the latter because by this point Kelsier is intimately aware of Ruin and the appearance of his vessel.

In the Mistborn Era 2 Ars Arcanum on compounding, Khriss notes how the combination of powers on Roshar causes a unique chemical reaction. Does this refer to how orders of Radiants had access to two Surges, or Renarin's binding of a corrupted Truthwatcher spren presumably granting him access to the Surgebinding version of Regrowth and the Voidbinding version of Illumination.

Apologies for the long-winded post.

[Scion of the Mists]

7 hours ago, Skryter said:

While cursing Kaladin refers to Taln in either WoK or WoR as the "bearer of all agonies". I was wondering if Taln was known by this moniker before or after Aharietiam, and whether this has been discussed in a WoB. If the latter is true, this means that the Heralds breaking of the Oathpact, in some form, has become distilled in Rosharan culture and vernacular. What if the Vorin Church opposes Dalinar's preaching of Honor's death for reasons other than heresy. Could the upper hierarchy of the church in-fact be aware of the Herald's betrayal, and their rejection of a Dalinar a fear that the spread of this knowledge could further diminish their historically diminished power base?

I've never notice that before.  While not as interesting as a conspiracy, I would guess that it came from the other Heralds and their respect for his sacrifice.  

6 hours ago, Skryter said:

In one of the Stormlight Epigraphs it refers to Urithiru as being placed westward "in the place nearest to Honor". We know that Urithiru's location differs drastically on a variety of in-world maps, and that it is located above the Highstorm. Could Urithiru be located near the Origin and or were Honors vessel resided at one point in the physical realm?

Urithiru is located in the center of Roshar, very near the Valley, as seen on the map from Oathbringer.  

7 hours ago, Skryter said:

As far as I understand spren (on Roshar) are the personification of forces manifest. Syll mentions that some of the ancient spren had four-genders, two not having being imaged by humans. We also know that before humans migrated to Roshar spren had a bond of sorts (pre-nahel) with the Dawnsigners. Does this mean that these extra two genders arose by the Dawnsingers personification of Spren, and were subsequently lost following the collective loss of the Dawnsingers identity post-recreance?

Brandon has actually address this directly, and has also said that there is a non-binary spren coming in the next book (likely the Sibling).  

7 hours ago, Skryter said:

Why can Sja-anat corrupt greater or "true spren" (as per the Stormfathers distinction between the classification of spren) when it was said that she could only corrupt, as per the epigraph, lesser spren? Is this related to the weakening of the Oathpact? For example, in one of the Truthwatcher memory gems a radiant of that order mentions that they have seen the future; this is likely dated near the end of the Knights Radiat as a military organisation.

This could be a new ability, or it could be that the information in the epigraph was wrong.  Historical documents from Roshar are frequently unreliable.  

[Oversleep]

7 hours ago, Skryter said:

While cursing Kaladin refers to Taln in either WoK or WoR as the "bearer of all agonies".

One of the first bridge runs, it was a man beside Kaladin.

7 hours ago, Skryter said:

In one of the Stormlight Epigraphs it refers to Urithiru as being placed westward "in the place nearest to Honor".

Perhaps they mean proximity to the highstorm itself.

Also, we do know where Urithiru is, it's on the map in the OB. It's in the center of Roshar, roughly, near the Valley.

7 hours ago, Skryter said:

Could Urithiru be located near the Origin

No, Origin is (hypothetical) place somewhere not on the continent.

7 hours ago, Skryter said:

In Secret History, Leras gives Kelsier a vision where he sees an "image of an unfamiliar man sitting on a burning throne looking towards Luthadel with a twisted smile on his lips" (paraphrased). Is this Ruin, or could this be an early depiction of Trell granted by Fortune? Note that the evidence leads towards the latter because by this point Kelsier is intimately aware of Ruin and the appearance of his vessel.

I think this is Penrod, who was ruling the Luthadel as appointed by Elend but he was spiked and as such under influence of Ruin.

7 hours ago, Skryter said:

In the Mistborn Era 2 Ars Arcanum on compounding, Khriss notes how the combination of powers on Roshar causes a unique chemical reaction. Does this refer to how orders of Radiants had access to two Surges, or Renarin's binding of a corrupted Truthwatcher spren presumably granting him access to the Surgebinding version of Regrowth and the Voidbinding version of Illumination

It's about Resonance - when two (or more but not too much either) powers interact, there is a side effect. For example, Crasher's Resonance is the steel bubble. For Windrunners (Resonance between Gravity and Adhesion), this is "strength of the squires" which means more and stronger squires. For Lightweavers, it's mnemonic abilities. I don't think we know any more Resonances.
Although we do know that Skybreakers' is not telling guilty and innocent people apart. We do have a few hints about Edgedancers'.

[Skryter]

Thanks for answering my questions =).

[Juanaton]

On 8/16/2018 at 8:55 AM, Scion of the Mists said:

Urithiru is located in the center of Roshar, very near the Valley, as seen on the map from Oathbringer.  

Which actually seems to fit the

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w[h]ere Honors vessel resided at one point in the physical realm

portion of the original question.

Since we know Tanavast and Cultivation's Vessel (do we know her name?) were romantically involved, it would stand to reason that they would decide to be close together in the physical realm as well.

[earthexile]

I think I've got the four spren genders thing figured out. The Dawnsingers were the people now called Parsh. Their species is asexual unless in mateform, which almost seems to leave them with four distinct gender identities:

-Sexual Male

-Sexual Female

-Asexual Male

-Asexual Female

I think the more common, asexual genders are what they mean by the terms "malen" and "femalen."

[Fully_Invested]

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In Secret History, Leras gives Kelsier a vision where he sees an "image of an unfamiliar man sitting on a burning throne looking towards Luthadel with a twisted smile on his lips" (paraphrased). Is this Ruin, or could this be an early depiction of Trell granted by Fortune? Note that the evidence leads towards the latter because by this point Kelsier is intimately aware of Ruin and the appearance of his vessel.

I assumed this to be Penrod as well