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So Brandon has said each book in the Stormlight Archive can be considered a “trilogy” in its own right. But that led me to wonder. Where does the division between each “book” in each trilogy take place?

After all if I was going by what the internal contents if each book said it was broken into there are FIVE parts in each book NOT three. So I can’t use that for a reference. I guess what I am asking is, is there a WOB on where the trilogy divides for each book is?

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I'm going off of what he said before the publishing of OB, but while plotting that he said that he outlined "book 1" as a story arc to itself, and then two more arcs that consisted of the next two "books" within. So part 1, part 2/3, and part 3/4.

The layout seems to hold up well in my mind for natural breakpoints in the stories. 

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40 minutes ago, Calderis said:

I'm going off of what he said before the publishing of OB, but while plotting that he said that he outlined "book 1" as a story arc to itself, and then two more arcs that consisted of the next two "books" within. So part 1, part 2/3, and part 3/4.

The layout seems to hold up well in my mind for natural breakpoints in the stories. 

I saw that for Oathbringer, but what makes you think it is the same for the other two books?

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26 minutes ago, animalia said:

I saw that for Oathbringer, but what makes you think it is the same for the other two books?

Well, look at tWoK.

Part one ends with Shallan gaining her wardship, and Kaladin making the choice to protect Bridge Four. 

Part three end with Kabsal dying and Shallan being exposed to Jasnah. For Kaladin, he's trained Bridge Four in the spear and Believes that escape is actually a possibility. 

They're natural breakpoints in the story. 

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10 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Well, look at tWoK.

Part one ends with Shallan gaining her wardship, and Kaladin making the choice to protect Bridge Four. 

Part three end with Kabsal dying and Shallan being exposed to Jasnah. For Kaladin, he's trained Bridge Four in the spear and Believes that escape is actually a possibility. 

They're natural breakpoints in the story. 

So what you’re saying is the pattern fits all of the books? OK Thanks. It’s no WOB, but it’s still pretty dang good.

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Here's his description of it for Oathbringer.  Some mild spoilers.

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Brandon Sanderson

Hello, reddit. I figured I'd pop back in and give you a new update on your book. (I can't believe it's been six months since the last one.)

I'll give a slight spoiler warning to everything below this paragraph. I'm obviously not going to say anything story-wise that would spoil the book. However, I'll be talking a little about the structure of it and what's going on with the draft. I can see some people, very sensitive to spoilers, being concerned about learning anything at all about the book. For you who fit this description, let me just say that I'm approaching the halfway point, but I'm not there yet. The book is going very well, and I'm pleased with it.

Now, on to a deeper discussion of the novel. The first thing I did for Stormlight 3 was work on the flashback sequences for Dalinar and Szeth, as I hadn't yet decided which one would match this book. Through this process, I decided on Dalinar--a decision contrary to my original outline from the start of the series. This didn't concern me; the decision was made based on how the series had developed, and it's always good to expect some things to change during the actual writing. (For example, much of Kaladin's plot from book two was originally slated for book three.) Being too slavish to an outline isn't ever a good thing.

This decision made, I sat down and wrote Dalinar's flashbacks in their entirety. By the end of them, I was completely convinced these were the best paring for this book. That meant, as this was "his" book, I wanted Dalinar viewpoints to show up in all five parts of Oathbringer. You see, Stormlight Books have a kind of strange format. I plot them in this bizarre fashion that likely makes sense only to me. But I'll try to explain.

I split each book into five parts, which group together to form three chunks plotted like individual volumes of a trilogy--with a large, over-arching plot that ties into the five-book arc of the initial sequence, which in turn is half of the complete ten book arc. Each volume, then, has a complete trilogy's worth of arcs and climaxes for the primary characters (Kaladin, Shallan, Dalinar) while also having a self-contained flashback sequence, at least one secondary novelette about a character that hasn't had viewpoints so far, and a related short story collection. The "main character" for the book gets, beyond their flashback sequence, a role in each part of the story.

So this means a slightly larger plot for Dalinar, and a slight scaling back for Kaladin and Shallan. (Don't worry; both will be in the book around as much as Kaladin was in Words of Radiance.) Now, the plotting for Oathbringer--as I mentioned--is broken into five chunks, which combine into three chunks. (I call them books here for lack of a better word, as the novel--like each other in the series--is a trilogy bound in one volume. Don't be confused. This doesn't mean I'm splitting the book for publication, only that it is plotted in a way with divisions between the story arcs.)

"Book One" of Oathbringer is all of Part one, plus the interludes. "Book Two" is parts two and three, plus two sets of interludes. "Book Three" is parts four and five, plus interludes. Of these, part two is going to be the biggest oddball, as I'm putting another novelette (separated into six chapters) in here as I feel I need a glimpse at another character. So it's going to have the least focus on primary viewpoints.

I've finished all of the flashbacks, all of the viewpoints for part one, the novelette for part two, and part of the other novelette (the one that will take the place of Szeth from book one or Eshonai from book two.) This, so far, puts me at about 180k words written--with 130k of that being part one in its entirety, and the rest being scenes listed above.

If that sounds confusing, I apologize. These books are somewhat involved to write, and more complex stories demand some outlining that gets a little crazy. However, I did whip up a visualization of the viewpoint structure, which I've posted below.

Stormlight Three Visual Outline

This doesn't give an exact view of scale, as--for instance--part one will likely be the longest of the five. Part Two looks the most full, but it's likely to have only three or four chapters from each of the primary characters (well, one chapter from one of them) so it should actually be shorter than part one. Part Five isn't cut off; I know it will be short, as it was in the other two books.

Next up is to do a revision of part one. (I don't often do revisions in the middle of a book, but with books this long, it's helpful for me to keep the plot under control and maintain continuity through the parts.) From there, I'll write Dalinar for part two, interweave with the appropriate flashbacks and the already-finished novelette, then look at the detailed plotting of the other three viewpoints in the part. I hope to bring this part in at around 70k words, bringing the total book to 200k and getting us to roughly the halfway point.

If this makes your head spin, then don't worry, you can ignore it. It is important to me that these books, though epic in scope, retain a tight view of the primary characters through all volumes. You will see a lot of Dalinar, Kaladin, and Shallan. You will see a moderate amount of Szeth, Eshonai, Jasnah, Adolin, and Navani. There will be a few surprises regarding other characters who have slightly larger places in the plot, but in general, anyone not on one of the above lists isn't allowed more than a viewpoint here or there. (Until the second five books, where our primary characters will shuffle. So you Renarin fans will have to be patient.)

I'm determined to maintain momentum in this story without letting it veer too far away from the primary plot. I feel that a careful outline and a consistent structure are the methods by which I will achieve this.

Thanks for your patience.

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On 6/10/2018 at 4:43 PM, RShara said:

Here's his description of it for Oathbringer.  Some mild spoilers.

 

I know it’s been a while, but I am no longer as sure about that. As Brandon said that each “book” contained some of the three main characters. After rereading The Way Of Kings I realized/remember that there is no Dalinar in Part one and no Shallan in Part 4. Also one of his reasons for saying part one could be a whole “book” in Oathbringer was because of how big it was, but part 1 isn’t as big in The Way Of Kings.

 

How does this sound as an alternative for The Way Of Kings? Book 1: Parts 1-2 Book 2: Part 3 Book 4: Parts 4-5 Or does this have other problems? It would really help if someone could ask Brandon himself.

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