Slimy_Slider Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 Just a pretty small idea I had about the mechanics of Voidbinding which I thought I'd share. We know that the way investiture works is determined by the planet, on Roshar it works through manipulating the surges. However, the way that Investiture is accessed is dependant on the Shards for which it is aligned. For example, to form and progress a Nahel Bond, the radiant has to experience personal growth (Cultivation) through swearing oaths (Honour). I was thinking about this and wondering how it related to Voidbinding and I recalled this quote from WoR. Quote The squat guard wore a charm on his wrist, a charm of courage, which he took off and held tightly in one hand. The charm hadn't any properties in itself, of course. It was a reminder. Courage. Passion. Want what you need, embrace it, desire it and bring it to you. There does seem to be a link between the Thaylen Passions and Odium. Venli's speeches to the singers, particuarly the Thaylen ones, about needing to have passion made me wonder if that might be the key to Voidbinding. Someone, Human or Singer, with a connection to Odium and a strong enough intent could probably obtain Voidbinding powers just by really wanting them. Just an idea, feel free to nitpick it to death if you want and quote all the WoBs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naurock Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 41 minutes ago, Slimy_Slider said: Someone, Human or Singer, with a connection to Odium and a strong enough intent could probably obtain Voidbinding powers just by really wanting them. Just an idea, feel free to nitpick it to death if you want and quote all the WoBs. No WoBs. I like your idea, but it seems like it will still require a Singer to bond a Voidspren. I don't think humans could bond them before in previous desolations, they just fought for them because they picked a side. It would be an interesting development in the war as Odium says he's found a way to bond humans at the Battle of Theylenah (granted that was with the Thrill). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 I still don't believe we've seen Voidbinding. The Parsh forms all seem to be an extension of what has become modern fabrial tech, and through that the Fused seem to use a hacked version of surgebinding. Furthermore, as much as the debate will rage on, I don't believe that Odium is Passion, regardless of what he says or believes. First,the Thaylen Passions are not derived from anything magical. Quote Questioner Navani’s emotion fabrial, are those correspondent to the Thaylen Passions in any way? Brandon Sanderson Yes, but the Thaylen Passions would’ve come second to some of this. Questioner So through a cultural filter? Brandon Sanderson Yes. There is no magic to the Thaylen Passions, they are a religion but with no magical component. Sometimes a religion is just a religion. source And as to Odium/Passion, there's this that makes me believe that Odium believes that he's Passion in truth, but he is and always will be Odium. Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] In universe, all the intents and charts and names, who names them? Do they name themselves? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] I have kind of imagined this is one of those things that they certainly have influence over. But obviously Odium thinks that he's named something other than what he is, and I feel like these are intrinsic things that the sixteen all knew. Like, "I am missing this part of me, it is this." And it was less we went around the names more like this is just what it is. And various shards are resisting that, but the others are all like this is what you represent. Billy Todd, Moderator [PENDING REVIEW] Follow-up question there. Would the entity that we call Odium refer to itself as Odium when it's honest with itself? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Ehhh, I don't think Odium is capable of being honest with himself. [laughter] There are times where Odium has called himself Odium. That is more out of convenience and the fact that everyone calls you by a name. But Odium is determined to change that perception. Billy Todd, Moderator [PENDING REVIEW] So, does he genuinely believe in characterizing himself as Passion? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes. Part of him does. Billy Todd, Moderator [PENDING REVIEW] Has he always ever been Odium since the Shattering? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes. source I don't think that any magic is going to be achieved simply through wanting it hard enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 Even if the Thaylen Passions are non-magical, and Odium = Passion is false, I feel like there could be a connection between the two. Not a magical one, but a historical one. The Thaylen religion has to come from somewhere, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimy_Slider Posted May 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 From some of the things the Fused have said, I wonder if the Thaylen Passions came from an earlier Singer religion. We know there was interbreeding and adoption of their language, so why not religion too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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