Lurthemir he/him Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 What we know: Sazed holds the shards Preservation and Ruin loosely creating Harmony Preservation used his power the keep Ruin from destroying everything by trapping him in a prison. At the time of Way of Kings Sazed has held Preservation and Ruin for several hundred years. Sazed is not an original shardholder, and at the end of HoA is trying to figure out the cosmere. Sazed holds excess Ruin power. WoB suggests he is using it to do something. Rayse hates Harmony. Rayse is trapped on greater Roshar, the words in The Response state him as being "captive". The Theory: Based on what we know Sazed may be responsible for Rayse's captivity. I think this may be a little bit of a stretch as correlation does not imply causation, but that's why its a theory. Right? Hooray for for my first theory! (Sorry for my lack of quotes, I had to get this out before I forgot the facts.) 3
Chromium Compounder Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 I think it is actually Tanavast who trapped Rayse. That's the feeling I got from the response to Hoid's letter. Tanavast knew he couldn't beat Rayse, so he did what he could to limit him. He couldn't keep him from dominating greater Roshar, but he could force him to get so invested there that he couldn't leave. 3
Observer Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Yeah, as much as I love Sazed, I don't think that he'd be able to hold back something like Odium for a variety of reasons, from being new to the Cosmere, to the efforts of shardic travel. The response letter is pretty good indication that it was Honor who trapped Odium there, and I have no reason to doubt it. Also, less spoiler-y title maybe? Not everybody who enters the forum knows about Harmony.
Asperity he/him Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Preservation has weaker power because of the mists, right? But weren't the mists removed following HoA? It's been years since I've read the trilogy so while I vaguely remember it being stated that he has more of Ruin's power, why was that?
Swimmingly he/him Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Basically, human sentience takes an imbalance of power to achieve, in this case Preservation's. So Sazed has one sentient race-worth of Ruinous Investiture left over, because Preservation's equivalent power has been spent on Humanity.
Moogle Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Basically, human sentience takes an imbalance of power to achieve, in this case Preservation's. So Sazed has one sentient race-worth of Ruinous Investiture left over, because Preservation's equivalent power has been spent on Humanity. While Mistborn implies this, we have WoB that drabs on Nalthis have no innate Investiture, and nor do the people of another world we have yet to see. So I don't think it's right to say that humans require Investiture for sentience.
WeiryWriter he/him Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Congrats on your first theory! However I think it is a definitive no. The Stormlight Archive is roughly cotemporaneous with The Alloy of Law so Sazed has held Harmony for about 340 years. Contrast that with this quote from the Response. Rayse is captive. He cannot leave the system he now inhabits. His destructive potential is, therefore, inhibited. Whether this was Tanavast's design or not, millennia have passed without Rayse taking the life of another of the sixteen. So Rayse has been held captive for far longer than Sazed has held Harmony (far longer than Sazed has even been alive) by at least a thousand years. 3
Howl of the Sun he/him Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I know that Brandon Sanderson has said that Rayse is scared of Sazed. Although in the same Q and A he said that Since the shards Sazed holds are opposite in intent he finds it hard to act drastically either way.
Babybalrog Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I may not be remembering my WoB correct, but I think Brandon said Sazed is stronger than Odium because two shards vs one, but he's not nearly as militaristic minded (?). This makes me think that Sazed is not able to leverage his power because he doesn't know what he would need to do with it. Therefor it seems like he's playing it safe leaving Odium trapped. It is also my interpretation that Tanavast was the one who trapped him. Oh and In "Alloy of Law" that mist are still there, and it's about the same time frame as WoR Further question, has anybody done a Mind/Body/Spirit breakdown of Tanavast, like what happened to Ruin and Preservation?
Era Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 I have a feeling by the end of all this sazed will hold all the shards, since hes like the only person who can do it because of his metalminds, and he already has 2
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