AviH Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 Hey everyone, Basically, two WoB mentioned some things in the books that I couldn't find (I probably didn't search thoroughly enough), and I was hoping someone can point me to the sources... So the first one is about Timbre Spoiler Overlord Jebus [PENDING REVIEW] Has Eshonai left for the Beyond? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes. I'll canonize this. I'm sorry. Overlord Jebus [PENDING REVIEW] *sounds of horror and shock* Noooo, nooooo, RAFO it! Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] You wanted..that was a RAFO-bait but, so I never intended that..if you want to leave this one out there...But I never intended Timbre to be Eshonai's soul. When people said that in the beta, I'm like, "Oh, I guess you could see that, but I mean that's not how spren work, right?" Overlord Jebus [PENDING REVIEW] I was going to say, so you're saying Timbre is not Eshonai's soul. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] No. I never even thought they would make that connection. Because we saw Timbre in the previous book. I mean, I don't want to kill people's fan theories. But that one kind of blindsided me in the beta. I'm like, "Well I guess we'll go ahead and let people think that but...no." No. You can leave that one off if you want to tease people and things. Some people really want to believe that. Overlord Jebus [PENDING REVIEW] I made a bet that Eshonai was not only still be alive after Words of Radiance, but would also become Radiant. And then the bet was if not I had to eat a shoe. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Oh no! Overlord Jebus [PENDING REVIEW] So I've been trying to get out of it for like... Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Well you could eat a gummy shoe or something like that. But no, I didn't intend this. No. source Brandon mentions that we have seen Timbre in an earlier book. Anyone know where? The second, which I found really interesting, was about Syl taking Shallan's shape Spoiler Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Why is Kaladin so proficient--like naturally born to wield a spear. Is that a weapon he likes or is it a destiny for him? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] So destiny is a strong term. I would say he has natural aptitude, but no more so than a normal person who has a natural aptitude for something. But the way the Spiritual Realm works in the cosmere and the way Connection works, there were certain things that were happening to Kaladin before they happened. Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] <Inaudible> Time and space. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] It's like Syl says in one of the books. "You didn't know me then, but I knew you then. Even though we hadn't met yet, I still knew you." You see some weird Connection things too. And these are mostly just for fun sort of cosmere connections. Like when you see Syl take on the look of Shallan standing on the beach. There's gonna be a connection there. It's forming, it doesn't exist yet, but all things are one in the Spiritual Realm, and we're just kinda seeing echoes of that. It's not meant to be destiny, it's more meant to be, "Hey there's little connections happening". I would not say Kaladin is any more naturally gifted in that than your average professional sports player is naturally gifted in what they do. source So when did Syl take the look of Shallan standing on the beach? Anyone remember this?
Oversleep Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, AviH said: Brandon mentions that we have seen Timbre in an earlier book. Anyone know where? Words of Radiance. There have been mentions of a spren following Eshonai. 1
AviH Posted March 19, 2018 Author Posted March 19, 2018 48 minutes ago, Oversleep said: Words of Radiance. There have been mentions of a spren following Eshonai. Ok, I found it, in interlude 11 of WoR. But what about that thing with Syl? That really surprised me...
Dreamstorm Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) WoR chapter 9 - here is the quote: Quote The pool in front of him glowed a deep violet. He’d noticed it earlier, but in the light of his sphere it had been harder to see. Now, in the dimness, the pool could reveal its eerie radiance. Syl landed on the side of the pool, looking like a woman standing on an ocean’s shore. Kaladin frowned, leaning down to inspect her more closely. She seemed . . . different. Had her face changed shape? “There are others like you,” Syl whispered. “I do not know them, but I know that other spren are trying, in their own way, to reclaim what was lost.” She looked to him, and her face now had its familiar form. The fleeting change had been so subtle, Kaladin wasn’t sure if he’d imagined it. WoR, Ch. 9, Walking The Grave I also started a thread on it a little bit ago if you have any interest in discussing it Edited March 19, 2018 by Dreamstorm 2
Oversleep Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 @Dreamstorm I think that WoB references something happening in Oathbringer. I don't recall when it was, though.
Dreamstorm Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Oversleep said: @Dreamstorm I think that WoB references something happening in Oathbringer. I don't recall when it was, though. I thought that too at first, but I looked at all the times Syl dresses like a Vorin woman in OB, or when she's disguising herself in Shademar, and none of those scenes fit (doesn't change her face to look different, Shallan isn't on a beach or anything close.) In our next present-day Shallan chapter in WoR (Ch 11), she wakes up on the shore after the destruction of the Wind's Pleasure. Syl is also talking about how there are other unknown Radiants out there in that passage, which fits Shallan at that time. If there's something else you recall that fits, I'd love to hear! 1
Delightful Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Dreamstorm said: WoR chapter 9 - here is the quote: I also started a thread on it a little bit ago if you have any interest in discussing it So its only WoB that she was specifically Shallan? Because here Kaladin just doesnt recognise her.
AviH Posted March 19, 2018 Author Posted March 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Dreamstorm said: WoR chapter 9 - here is the quote: I also started a thread on it a little bit ago if you have any interest in discussing it You're awesome, thanks! 1
Dreamstorm Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, Del-light-full said: So its only WoB that she was specifically Shallan? Because here Kaladin just doesnt recognise her. Yeah, I don't know if anyone (?) would have thought this was Shallan absent the WoB, so it seemed to me like a little (maybe intentional) reveal. Kaladin hadn't met Shallan at that point in the books, so he couldn't have recognized her. The first PoV we see from Kaladin where he's around Shallan (which isn't until the training grounds one, where Shallan plays Adolin - super funny scene) he doesn't recognize her, so it doesn't appear Shallan's face stuck in his mind from that moment. I haven't done a full look to see if at any point Syl mentions, or Kal thinks, she looks familiar though. I'm guessing that might be there somewhere... 2
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