Rainier Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Did we ever get an explanation of who is what on this chart? I've tried to match it up but I'm not certain who is who. Let me go through what I think. Flashbacks is clearly Dalinar, as is Primary Main Character. Secondary Main Character 1 is Kaladin, as he isn't in Part Two, and Secondary Main Character 2 is Shallan because she is. Tertiary Character 1 is probably Adolin, but I'm not sure. Tertiary Character 2 is only in Part 3 and the ending. Who matches that? Lift? But she hardly does anything! Part 3 is mostly A/S/K in Kholinar and Dalinar doing his stuff, so Adolin is the only one not already accounted for, but he can't be Tertiary #1 and #2. Tertiary Character 3 is Jasnah, I think. She's got a few PoV chapters in this part. Could also be Moash, but I think he's covered in Bridge 4 and the Novelette #2, which crops up at the end. Jasnah also appears at the end, which doesn't match the outline, but it's not as a PoV. Tertiary Character 4 is Szeth. He gets his first few PoV chapters here, and comes back at the end. Novelette 1 is Venli. Novelette 2 is Bridge Four. Short Story Collection is all the Interludes that aren't Venli. Frankly, I'm not confident in these (except Szeth, I think that's most obvious besides Dalinar). So Shallan is Secondary #2, but she doesn't get anything in Part 4 even though she's right there with Adolin and Kaladin and even gets some PoV chapters. Who are the tertiary characters? I'm only confident of Szeth here, but I think Moash, Jasnah, and Adolin are the other three, but I can't tell which is which. Moash is probably lumped into Novelette #2, Bridge 4, which I think is the significance of the Novelette #2 reappearing at the end. Let me know if I'm missing something, or if you have an alternate explanation. This has been bugging me for a while now. 1
Willow Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) I think part of the problem is that this outline has changed before the release of Oathbringer (without the writer releasing an updated spreadsheet to us). As far as I remember, Kaladin does not have any viewpoints in part 2. Looking at the viewpoint characters for each part also shows clearly that things have changed since we first saw this spreadsheet. Here are the viewpoint characters for each part (ignoring part five, because everyone shows up there): Part 1: Dalinar, Shallan, Kaladin, Adolin (same as part 3) Part 2: Dalinar, Shallan, Jasnah, Bridge Four Part 3: Dalinar, Shallan, Kaladin, Adolin (same as part 1) Part 4: Dalinar, Shallan, Kaladin, Adolin, Navani, Szeth (and Taravangian and Venli) Adolin has scenes in Part 1, 3 and 4, and none of the tertiary characters on this spreadsheet do. If the viewpoint for Tertiary character 1 (Adolin) moves from part 2 to part 1 (the beta readers have said somewhere that an Adolin scene was added to part 1 to fill in several small missing plotpoints, but I'm not sure when this scene was added), and the part 3 scenes were also added later (or originally written from a different perspective?), then it could be Adolin. But this is a stretch. Tertiary character 2... does not fit any character as they are placed in the story at the moment, so I think another character was moved to a different part: You're missing Navani in your post, who has viewpoints in part 4, when Dalinar was.. taking a break. She also has viewpoints in part 5. I think either Szeth or Navani used to have viewpoints in part 3, which were then moved to part 4 because it fit better narratively. My guess here is Navani, because I think Szeth's part 4 viewpoints were decided on a long time ago. So my guess for the tertiary characters is very similar to yours: T1: Adolin (with part 2 moved to part 1, part 3 scenes not shown) (I'm not sure about this one at all) T2: Navani (with part 3 moved to part 4) T3: Jasnah (with her part 5 viewpoint not shown) T4: Szeth N1: Venli N2: Bridge Four, including Moash (because of the chapter icon) So I'm reasonably sure about the last three, and Jasnah probably, but I think things might have changed so much we can't guess them accurately anymore. Edited December 19, 2017 by Willow 3
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Uh, guys... Jasnah does have viewpoints in Part 5.
Dreamstorm Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: Uh, guys... Jasnah does have viewpoints in Part 5. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with that? Tertiary character 3 (who has viewpoints in part 2 and best seems to fit Jasnah) isn't shown in Brandon's spreadsheet to have viewpoints in part 5. That may be something to do with that fact she's not the "headline" character in any chapter in that section as it's not her chapter symbol on the chapter title page. (I think most of those get the general radiant symbol.) Edited December 19, 2017 by Dreamstorm
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dreamstorm said: I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with that? Tertiary character 3 (who has viewpoints in part 2 and best seems to fit Jasnah) isn't shown in Brandon's spreadsheet to have viewpoints in part 5. That may be something to do with that fact she's not the "headline" character in any chapter in that section as it's not her chapter symbol on the chapter title page. (I think most of those get the general radiant symbol.) The way some people talked made it seem like they had forgotten about Jasnah actually having POVs. Just wanted to remind them, should that be the case.
Rainier Posted December 19, 2017 Author Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Toaster Retribution said: The way some people talked made it seem like they had forgotten about Jasnah actually having POVs. Just wanted to remind them, should that be the case. Honestly I just went through the Oathbringer Summary and looked at the PoV character for each chapter to remind me. Jasnah only get her own chapters in Part 2, which is why I've got her as T3. 2 hours ago, Willow said: You're missing Navani in your post, who has viewpoints in part 4, when Dalinar was.. taking a break. She also has viewpoints in part 5. Yeah, I did forget about her. I was trying to fit the Radiants in, or at least the first five. Adolin and Navani are the two non-Radiants who get the most screen time. I felt like I was missing one character, and Navani is by far the most likely. I just didn't expect her to have her own row on the outline, I guess.
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