dvoraen Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 I had a thought hit me just now while reading something completely unrelated to Bondsmiths: Is each spren that bonds a Bondsmith attuned to a specific Realm's attribute (Physical/Cognitive/Spiritual), and thus the Bondsmith is also? For example (and making an assumption as part of it), if the Nightwatcher is one of the spren for becoming a Bondsmith, would that mean that a Bondsmith that is bonded with her is substantially steered toward the Cognitive Realm in terms of his or her Radiant powers' effects on people? The Nightwatcher's boons and curses have all but been confirmed to be Cognitive in nature (Lift, Dalinar's memories and cognition of Shshsh, upside-down-world man, and so on), so I wondered if the Bondsmith's "bondsmithing" is also on a Cognitive level. We have evidence suggesting that Dalinar manipulates Spiritual bonds. He tugs at Shallan to Lightweave a map (which the Ars Arcanum in WoR states has a "powerful Spiritual component"), as well as the instantaneous release of a Shardblade's bond at the end of WoR. I feel like this is because the Stormfather handles the Spiritual aspect of things (the Investiture in a highstorm, and Accepting Words). While the Surges a Bondsmith gets can manipulate Physical things, I think the tertiary aspects will be very dependent on the spren to which the Bondsmith is bound. Thoughts? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elanmorin Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 I doubt it, simply because in the line in one of the books (I don't have a copy so I'm paraphrasing here) that said something about, "The abilities of the Bondsmiths... blah, blah, different strategy." Not definitive, but seems to imply the group as a whole is the same. If anything, I expect the resonance might have an effect past the physical. An example being the non-physical gravitation/pressure Windrunners apparently employ to draw and empower their squires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 I don't agree. A difference in their powers would effectively make them different orders. They all have the same surges, which by definition would make them all have the same resonance. As to Dalinar and the Shardblade... Bonding a blade takes time. Anyone can sever the bond. One of Adolin's arena opponents does it right before he crushes the gemstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHoliday he/him Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 37 minutes ago, Calderis said: I don't agree. A difference in their powers would effectively make them different orders. They all have the same surges, which by definition would make them all have the same resonance. I don't happen to agree with the theory, but I'm not sure your argument holds water. In most Orders, all KR bond the same Spren. Windrunners to Honorspren, Lightweavers to Cryptics. In the case of Bondsmiths however, they're bonding unique Spren. Dalinar has bonded the SF, another Radiant may bond the Nightwatcher or Cuchuelesh(sp?). I can understand that Bondsmiths have access to the same Surges, but I don't see Sanderson but giving them something unique either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 37 minutes ago, DocHoliday said: I can understand that Bondsmiths have access to the same Surges, but I don't see Sanderson but giving them something unique either. It does not matter how someone receives powers, a resonance is a result of having those powers. The Heralds had the same resonance as the Radiants, despite bonding an Honorblade instead of the spren. The resonances of Scadrian powers would happen whether you were born with a pair, or received one or both by hemalurgy. If the Bondsmiths have individual powers related to their respective spren, it is not from the surges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmithki Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 I'm not sure it has actually been confirmed anywhere that the spren the bondsmiths bond are different, or even if they are that they have different effects. There was a discussion on it a bit ago in the thread about the mural between what is assumed to be Honor and Cultivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 37 minutes ago, Blacksmithki said: I'm not sure it has actually been confirmed anywhere that the spren the bondsmiths bond are different, or even if they are that they have different effects. There was a discussion on it a bit ago in the thread about the mural between what is assumed to be Honor and Cultivation. There are three individual and unique Bondsmith spren. Quote Ghodicu The pocket companion states that there are three spren that can bond a person to make them into a bondsmith, the Stormfather being one of them. As far as I recall the books implied that the number was low, and implied heavily that it was around that number in an epigraph, but didn't actually have a straight confirmation. So, should I take that as canon? Brandon Sanderson Yes, you can take that as canon. They came to me for that information. yahasgaruna Sweet. I guess it hasn't been canonized which three spren these are? I seem to recall that the prevailing theory on 17th Shard was that Nightwatcher was one of them, and the third was that weird spren with too many faces that Axies the Collector looked at in the tWoK interlude. Brandon Sanderson RAFO. Which still bothers me, because three unique spren, all with different nature's granting the same abilities seems off to me, with every other order being unique spren types. I can't imagine that the spren give the same surges, have the same goals, and the same oaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvoraen Posted November 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Calderis said: There are three individual and unique Bondsmith spren. Which still bothers me, because three unique spren, all with different nature's granting the same abilities seems off to me, with every other order being unique spren types. I can't imagine that the spren give the same surges, have the same goals, and the same oaths. Which really makes me think that Ishar is in a class of his own, for spren to emulate his Honorblade and three very different entities at that. That's why he's troubling me a great deal compared to the other Heralds who forswore their oaths, after reading Edgedancer. Edited November 12, 2017 by dvoraen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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