Quazar87 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 What's the general understanding here? Has Brandon talked about how that was possible or whether he and his ministry were spreading propaganda? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yeah, that sounds possible. If you've read AoL, imagine Miles burning pewter while compounding gold, plus whatever other shenanigans the LR worked in. With only gold, Miles survives dynamite and shotguns to the head easily. tLR has that plus pure Allomantic pewter power, probably boosted through whatever let him Sooth with massive strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorridgeBrick he/him Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I believe he did say something about how the tales were exaggerated over time, yes. But he still did survive partial decapitation. Really, Compounded Feruchemical gold Health and Feruchemical atium Age means that the TLR is near-totally immortal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morsk he/him Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 The weird thing is, he could probably survive total decapitation by instantly growing a new head, but if you cut both his arms off he'd die without the bracers, wouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Assuming he isn't wearing anklets, piercings, belt buckles, headbands, etc. Which he wasn't, so valid point. However, Feruchemical gold would probably still counter it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 If a Feruchemical gold Compounding Savant is used to burning Gold instinctively, and you Cut off his arms, would the Feruchemical gold in his armbands keep burning, regenerating the Body From the Arm? This would Effectively make another Savant. Cloning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 It's a good thing Wax prefered bullets to battlaxes than, eh? I don't think this would work, however. Evidence points to the Cognitive ideal of the person supplying the mold for their healing, and a Cognitive mold would not under any circumstances include a clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quazar87 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 So his body would instinctively burn the feruchemical gold and regrow his head? But a new head equals a new person... I suppose the cosmere is different with its cognitive realm and such. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quazar87 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 If a Feruchemical gold Compounding Savant is used to burning Gold instinctively, and you Cut off his arms, would the Feruchemical gold in his armbands keep burning, regenerating the Body From the Arm? This would Effectively make another Savant. Cloning! That reminds me of shardplate. Maybe if you regrew the bloodmaker from his arm the original one would die. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melaan Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Just for the sake of being a deviant, I would like to point out that the Lord Ruler had several immortal servants at his command. As long as they could find a look alike body, a Kandra could go get it's head cut off in the Lord Ruler's place, then the Lord Ruler shows up later saying 'hey, look I survived!"Though, to be honest, I'm pretty sure that someone in one of the histories mentioned Alendi surviving some crazy things too, so I would guess a lot of the stories were flat out propagandic lies, or legends changed over time.Not to say that Allomancy + Feruchemy couldn't pull something like that off, if used right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 The guy had quite a few layers of redundancy, didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHoliday he/him Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 The guy had quite a few layers of redundancy, didn't he? What would you do with a thousand years to run an empire I believe he did say something about how the tales were exaggerated over time, yes. But he still did survive partial decapitation. Really, Compounded Feruchemical gold Health and Feruchemical atium Age means that the TLR is near-totally immortal. I second this: WoB is TLR suffered a partial decapitation. I don't think that even he would survive a full cut off though. As long as there is some tissue connecting the head to the body, the cells have a highway to rebuild what's needed, but they still need the mental command to tap Feruchemical gold and go to work. Cognitively speaking: I do not believe the command to tap Feruchemical gold is carried out through the spinal cord the way other brain commands are. I believe that it is a function of your Cognitive Aspect, your being as a whole of you will, wanting it to happen. But I do think that it is centered in your cranium, the birthplace of cogniscence. Cognitive perceptions:Think about this, if there is TLR standing there with his head cut 3/4 of the way off and hanging by a tissue, what do you perceive it to be? You think "omg that's a person dieing!" (Note, person) If you see a body standing there with it's head on the ground, what is probably the first thought in your mind? "OMG that's a head!" (Note: head) In our minds in the second example we see the 2 pieces as distinct separate entities. I don't think it strains reason to say TLR would have similar perceptions, even despite his belief in his own superiority. Therefore I would conclude that separating the head from the Metal-Minds would prevent any Feruchemy from taking place. Fool should have worn an earring. Or teeth! GOLD teeth! TLR just turned his swag on. (Side note: My kindle came programmed with swag in its dictionary, I've lost all faith in mankind) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrono she/her Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 To be honest, I never imagined the Lord Ruler growing another head when he got decapitated. As Miles shows, Feruchemical gold is fast. Wayne takes longer because he has to spread the energy out over a longer period of time, similar to how we bend our knees when we land a jump to spread out the impact energy. If the Lord Ruler did survive decapitation (and considering Miles survived a shotgun blast to the head at point blank range, it's far from impossible), then the wound would probably just seal up itself right up after the blade passes through the neck. Kind of more like two zippers one after the other that are pulled at the same time: one opens the zipper, one closes the zipper. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Oh god imagine fighting someone like that with any kind of bladed weapon. Gunshots healing just comes off as badass, but if your blade just passes through like a fish through water, that would be so unnerving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorridgeBrick he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 To kill him, you need something to cut off the head instantly, so that everything is severed before it reconnects on the other side. It would be very hard to do that with a blade weapon. I think lasers or high power explosives are the best bet for instant severance. An easier, less technologically advanced method would be hemalurgically stealing his compounding with pewter bullets, but you need godlike aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Just use a Koloss blade that's wider than the neck, then charge it with Investiture. Maybe have a dozen Feruchemists store as much as they can in it all at once? Invested weapons - or at least Invested material obstructing the path of healing - would do the job, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorridgeBrick he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 True. I don't see why the Invested bit is needed though: can they really heal through metal? If they did, then the metalminds in Miles would be ripped apart instead of just contained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Better safe then sorry. Also, magic sword = cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorridgeBrick he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 The funny thing is he could probably tap the blade's stores by storing his own Identity. It would be hilarious if that allowed him to survive somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think we got confirmation from Claincy in a signed book that the original owner of the metal mind had to do the Identity tricks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorridgeBrick he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Oh, I though it worked both ways. Didn't the MAG say Aluminum could be used to steal another's metalmind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claincy he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) I think we got confirmation from Claincy in a signed book that the original owner of the metal mind had to do the Identity tricks? From Kurkistan actually Although that only confirms that it is possible for the original owner to do so, it doesn't technically state that there isn't another way. Oh, I though it worked both ways. Didn't the MAG say Aluminum could be used to steal another's metalmind? That said, however, consider the implications of Aluminium in Feruchemy. ith proper manipulation, it might be theoretically possible to tap someone else's metalminds... "From Brandon" note on page 340. So again it only confirms that it is possible one way or another without explicitly saying which party needs to be manipulating identity. So it may be possible to steal someone else's metalminds by using aluminium yourself, but we don't really ahve any evidence to support it. Simply a lack of proof against it. Edited February 28, 2014 by lord Claincy Ffnord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quazar87 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 So an aluminum ferring would be a bit like an aluminum misting? A leecher? I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claincy he/him Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 So an aluminum ferring would be a bit like an aluminum Chromium misting? A leecher? I like it. Aluminium mistings being "gnats" who don't seem to have any useful ability beyond potentially flushing poisons from their body (You probably already knew that and just mistyped, sorry.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vizier he/him Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) To be honest, I never imagined the Lord Ruler growing another head when he got decapitated. As Miles shows, Feruchemical gold is fast. Wayne takes longer because he has to spread the energy out over a longer period of time, similar to how we bend our knees when we land a jump to spread out the impact energy. If the Lord Ruler did survive decapitation (and considering Miles survived a shotgun blast to the head at point blank range, it's far from impossible), then the wound would probably just seal up itself right up after the blade passes through the neck. Kind of more like two zippers one after the other that are pulled at the same time: one opens the zipper, one closes the zipper. Yeah, this is pretty much what I always imagined happening. And, thinking about it, that would be incredibly unnerving, for all involved parties. Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 281018368 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 306276656 bytes) in Unknown on line 0 Edited March 9, 2014 by Vizier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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