King Cole he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1. If you tapped a ton of connection while consuming a bead of lerasium, would you become a super mistborn? Like TLR level of power? 2. If you tapped connection while burning atium, would anything interesting happen? 3. If you had TLR level of allomancy, and you tapped atium, would you see farther into the future than a regular mistborn? 4. Does flaring atium do anything? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Calderis he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1. I doubt it. We don't know what Lerasium actually does, but it does rewrite your sDNA which makes you Mistborn as a side effect. I don't think tapping connection would make a difference as your adding a temporary change that should revert when you stop tapping. We also don't know enough about how connection works you, do you stored all connection, or specific connections like specific senses? 2. I don't think so, but like question 1, I maybe if you were tapping a specific connection? 3. I'm assuming you mean burn and not tap. With the way that Atium functions, yes but the difference would be minimal unless he crossed the threshold that Elend did when he burned Duralumin with Atium. 4. You should be able to flare any metal, but as with question 3, I think all it would really accomplish is burning your reserves faster. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 King Cole he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Calderis said: 1. I doubt it. We don't know what Lerasium actually does, but it does rewrite your sDNA which makes you Mistborn as a side effect. I don't think tapping connection would make a difference as your adding a temporary change that should revert when you stop tapping. We also don't know enough about how connection works you, do you stored all connection, or specific connections like specific senses? I though lerasium raised your connection to preservation, and thats why I wondered if tapping connection would help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Calderis he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 18 minutes ago, King Cole said: I though lerasium raised your connection to preservation, and thats why I wondered if tapping connection would help It does... But how or why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CaptainRyan he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 I agree with Calderis' response to #1 and #2. 4 hours ago, Calderis said: 3. I'm assuming you mean burn and not tap. With the way that Atium functions, yes but the difference would be minimal unless he crossed the threshold that Elend did when he burned Duralumin with Atium. 4. You should be able to flare any metal, but as with question 3, I think all it would really accomplish is burning your reserves faster. #3. I think having a stronger "base line" for your Allomancy (ala the Lord Ruler vs Vin) means that if both were burning atium then, all other things being equal, the Lord Ruler would have the advantage by being significantly stronger and, therefore, would see farther ahead. In general, the difference between two Mistborn (e.g. Vin vs Zane) is too small to be significant but I think TLR's "power level" is high enough to be noticeable. There are plenty of in book references to how noticeable the difference in the TLR's power versus other Allomancers was. I think it is fair to theorize that if his zinc/steel/iron/brass were significantly more powerful that Vin's/Kelsier's powers then it stands to reason his Atium burning would be more powerful too. Powerful enough to be noticeable. #4. If two Atium Mistings or two Mistborn of relatively equal power are fighting and one flares but the other does not then I would guess that the one flaring would have an advantage. Since both can flare, however, it would just cancel out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Calderis he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 @CaptainRyan this WoB is why I think the way that I do. Spoilered for Length. Spoiler http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1160#47 ARGENT Can somebody travel to the Spiritual Realm, the same as the Cognitive? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes, but it's a very different experience. It is possible… You may have seen people do it... ARGENT As in you're not sure, or you're being obnoxiously vague? BRANDON SANDERSON No... QUESTION As in, you probably have but he's having trouble remembering it. BRANDON SANDERSON No no no... For instance, Elend burning atium and duralumin pulled most of him into the Spiritual Realm. ARGENT Oh, that's what happens there. BRANDON SANDERSON Yeah. He kind of got yanked into- You also have seen people ascend with the powers and dip into the Spiritual Realm for a little bit. ARGENT So, Vin? BRANDON SANDERSON Yeah. But they could be on both, or either, or both at the same time. But you have seen Vin stick into the Spiritual Realm. And it happened to Sazed/Harmony... QUESTION Oh! So is that where the gods live? Kinda? BRANDON SANDERSON Most of the bulk of the Shard's energy of being is contained in the Spiritual Realm, yes. [edited for clarity- Original was: Most of the bulk of what the Shard's energy of being is contained on the Spiritual Realm] Except for one notable exception! QUESTION The mistwraith? [I would guess she meant the mist spirit] BRANDON SANDERSON No. Atium allows you to glimpse the future, because it let's you see partially into the spiritual realm. So I don't think strength is really going to extend that vision much, as much as it's going to start let you seeing more possibilities (which would be counterproductive to the way atium is used) up to the threshold at which you enter far enough to see the future more fully from the spiritual side of things... Which is kind of what you see Elend do, or when Kel gets his rapidly fading glimpse that sends him towards the Ire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CaptainRyan he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, Calderis said: Atium allows you to glimpse the future, because it let's you see partially into the spiritual realm. So I don't think strength is really going to extend that vision much, as much as it's going to start let you seeing more possibilities (which would be counterproductive to the way atium is used) up to the threshold at which you enter far enough to see the future more fully from the spiritual side of things... Which is kind of what you see Elend do, or when Kel gets his rapidly fading glimpse that sends him towards the Ire. So, if I understand your position properly, you are saying that there is some minimum threshold for Atium burning that, once crossed, there is no significant gain to combat usefulness because both parties are seeing enough Connection to evade attacks? If so, I think I can buy into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 King Cole he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, CaptainRyan said: So, if I understand your position properly, you are saying that there is some minimum threshold for Atium burning that, once crossed, there is no significant gain to combat usefulness because both parties are seeing enough Connection to evade attacks? If so, I think I can buy into that. I think he is saying that the power would have to reach a certain threshold before it was more effective, and flaring doesn't reach that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 King Cole he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Also, I don't think that seeing farther would be more helpful in combat because they both see it no matter what and have ample time to react Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Calderis he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, CaptainRyan said: So, if I understand your position properly, you are saying that there is some minimum threshold for Atium burning that, once crossed, there is no significant gain to combat usefulness because both parties are seeing enough Connection to evade attacks? If so, I think I can buy into that. Exactly. If you can see two seconds into the future, and that's enough to outmanuever anyone not burning atium, why would you bother to flare it and burn away your reserves faster for an increase in effectiveness that you don't need? If your opponent also has atium, your foresight is enough to react to theirs and change the outcome causing the shadow splitting effect regardless of length of time (which is a debatable increase anyway), so flaring again just burns through your reserves faster. 6 minutes ago, King Cole said: I think he is saying that the power would have to reach a certain threshold before it was more effective, and flaring doesn't reach that There is a threshold which flaring doesn't reach, and that's the point that your more in the Spiritual Realm than the physical, at which point it stops being a simple combat foresight, and becomes a long term flash of insight into how events will play out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CaptainRyan he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Calderis said: If you can see two seconds into the future, and that's enough to outmanuever anyone not burning atium, why would you bother to flare it and burn away your reserves faster for an increase in effectiveness that you don't need? The only advantage I can think of, and I will admit outright that it is an edge case, is the scenario from Steelheart. Spoiler The Reckoners used an inescapable trap to checkmate the epic who had an Atium-like ability to avoid attacks. They simply put him in a situation where the was no safe move. If flaring Atium let you see a bit farther into the future then, theoretically, it would make you less susceptible to an entrapment scenario. Flaring Atium to avoid that, however, is one expensive form of prevention haha Edited August 16, 2017 by CaptainRyan typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Calderis he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, CaptainRyan said: The only advantage I can think of, and I will admit outright that it is an edge case, is the scenario from Steelheart. Reveal hidden contents The Reckoners used an inescapable trap to checkmate the epic who had an Atium-like ability to avoid attacks. They simply put him in a situation where the was no safe move. If flaring Atium let you see a bit farther into the future then, theoretically, it would make you less susceptible to an entrapment scenario. Flaring Atium to avoid that, however, is one expensive form of prevention haha Fair enough. Trying to keep that up would be really really expensive, and I think being an atium Savant would be really really messed up. Although if it did slowly pull you into the spiritual realm, atium Savanthood may be one of the few metals that would give you part of it's benefit even when you weren't burning it. The mental side effects of living partly in a non-temporal dependent realm would probably be disastrous though, and any passive shadows may not be limited to what will happen, but expand into what could happen. That's kind of terrifying actually. Edit: that's assuming atium Savanthood is even possible. It may be like lerasium as a God metal, and the point at which it pulls you into the spiritual realm coincides to the point that your invested with Ruin enough to ascend. Edited August 16, 2017 by Calderis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1. If you tapped a ton of connection while consuming a bead of lerasium, would you become a super mistborn? Like TLR level of power?
2. If you tapped connection while burning atium, would anything interesting happen?
3. If you had TLR level of allomancy, and you tapped atium, would you see farther into the future than a regular mistborn?
4. Does flaring atium do anything?
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