StormblessDave Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 So we do know that the voidbringers,midnight essence, thunderclasts and maybe more creatures existed and the knight radiants had a tough time dealing with them,and sometimes heralds died in the wars too(due to intense battle),but are there Odium servants that are the equivalent for the heralds and can take them on in one-on-one duels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudjumper Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 There are the Unmade, the equivalents of Heralds for Odium, but there are only nine of them and they're not exactly the same as the Heralds, playing more of a backline role in the Desolations compared to the Heralds, who actually fight. I doubt that an Unmade could take a Herald in a duel, though we don't have much information on them, but I think that they're more valuable tactically than a Herald as technology progresses. The Heralds teach men how to fight in preparation for the desolations but rely on Roshar to actually raise the armies, whereas some of the Unmade create their own armies of voidbringers (Midnight Essences, Thunderclasts), and also do some other stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormblessDave Posted July 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, cloudjumper said: There are the Unmade, the equivalents of Heralds for Odium, but there are only nine of them and they're not exactly the same as the Heralds, playing more of a backline role in the Desolations compared to the Heralds, who actually fight. I doubt that an Unmade could take a Herald in a duel, though we don't have much information on them, but I think that they're more valuable tactically than a Herald as technology progresses. The Heralds teach men how to fight in preparation for the desolations but rely on Roshar to actually raise the armies, whereas some of the Unmade create their own armies of voidbringers (Midnight Essences, Thunderclasts), and also do some other stuff. Thanks bud! I hope we see a few in oathbringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 Yeah, the Unmade would be the closest equivalent to the Heralds, out of the things we know of. Wether they could take a Herald one on one is unknown, but at least one of them, Yelig-nar was capable of killing people, since he slaughtered Nohadons wordsmen in one of Dalinars visions in WoK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 I wouldn't say the Unmade are Odium's analogues to Heralds, beyond superficial similarities in that they're leaders or generals of a sort, and wind up being worshipped as gods at times. Heralds are humans who have specifically participated in the Oathpact between them and Honor; they are powerful Surgebinders, they had a direct source to Honor's power (they didn't need to draw Stormlight from gemstones), and they apparently had even more abilities beyond that. The Unmade are Splinters of Odium, and they collectively are like Stormfather is to Honor, or Nightwatcher is to Cultivation. Not all of them are sapient, so some of them may be more like forces (like what causes the Thrill) than individuals per se. I'm not sure if they are ever referenced as fighting on the battlefield directly; they might be more behind-the-scenes, so even though they wouldn't directly fight a Herald, they would be able to manipulate events to result in a Herald's defeat. Maybe through routing the Herald's forces, maybe through sending spren. It has been speculated that there are 9 of them, because it has been confirmed there are not 10 Unmade and because Braize has 9-centric numerology (like how Roshar has 10-centric), but I believe we have only seen six names so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Pagerunner said: I wouldn't say the Unmade are Odium's analogues to Heralds, beyond superficial similarities in that they're leaders or generals of a sort, and wind up being worshipped as gods at times. Heralds are humans who have specifically participated in the Oathpact between them and Honor; they are powerful Surgebinders, they had a direct source to Honor's power (they didn't need to draw Stormlight from gemstones), and they apparently had even more abilities beyond that. The Unmade are Splinters of Odium, and they collectively are like Stormfather is to Honor, or Nightwatcher is to Cultivation. Not all of them are sapient, so some of them may be more like forces (like what causes the Thrill) than individuals per se. I'm not sure if they are ever referenced as fighting on the battlefield directly; they might be more behind-the-scenes, so even though they wouldn't directly fight a Herald, they would be able to manipulate events to result in a Herald's defeat. Maybe through routing the Herald's forces, maybe through sending spren. It has been speculated that there are 9 of them, because it has been confirmed there are not 10 Unmade and because Braize has 9-centric numerology (like how Roshar has 10-centric), but I believe we have only seen six names so far. They are not Odium-Heralds, but they seem to be the closest thing Odium has resembling the Heralds. And as I said, Yelig-nar killed Nohadons wordsmen, so I guess he can fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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