Tesh Any pronouns Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) Recently I have memorized the back of the Way of Kings. (I was bored. Now I just have to get WoR down). But the more I thought about it, the more unnerved I was by the last line. One of them may redeem us. One of them will destroy us. Most likely sounds familiar, and you are probably eather thinking, ooooooooh noooooooo, or, that's not such a big deal, or, what's the deal? If I type it like this... One of them may redeem us. One of them WILL destroy us. That's pretty much it. Any thoughts? Edited July 15, 2017 by Tesh Kholin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kered he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Dalinar go boom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Well, you first have to remove the rubble before building anew. Wait, that was another series... The real question is: Who is "us"? The backs are written from Aimians, who are already nearly extinct (not from natural causes). So does the writer mean all people of Roshar or just all Aimians? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesh Any pronouns Posted July 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 @Pattern I would guess all the people of Roshar. And what if the writer was Taln. (Some how). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 The writers of the backs of the books are the Sleepless, that is, Dysian Aimians. Taln - the person calling himself Taln - has another secret. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) @Tesh Kholin, it has been confirmed by Brandon that what @Pattern says is correct. We know that the Sleepless are the cover authors, so the debate is if this refers to Roshar, or The Aimians. If it is Roshar as a whole, why do they need redemption? This implies that those lines refer to The Aimians, as we've seen how they are regarded in the ways Axies is treated. If one line refers to the Aimians, the other should as well. So, I'd guess the next question (assuming you agree with my reasoning) is why would they think any of the Four would destroy them? Edited July 15, 2017 by Calderis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Thunder he/him Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) "They changed, even as we fought them. Like shadows they were, that can transform as the flame dances. Never underestimate them because of what you first see." Now is it just me... so we know the Parshendi can change, but how fast? We haven't seen a rapid transformation and most I've read states they need a highstorm. HOWEVER, we have seen rapid changes with Aimians through Axies. Yes he's doing small things such as writing on his skin, but he can change anything from stopping his ability to smell to banishing headaches and healing wounds. I could be way off, but perhaps they were in league with the voidbringers or something of the sorts. They seem like they can change "as the flame dances" more than the Parshendi can. And they seem like the type you would underestimate. Although, truth be told that also links well with dull form etc which would be seen as not very dangerous. It just seems like a possible link? The statement that they changed even as they fought them... and transform as the flame dances.. it insinuates rapid changes in the moment. That would link with needing to be redeemed, and also destroyed. Edited July 17, 2017 by Velvet Thunder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Thunder he/him Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Velvet Thunder said: "They changed, even as we fought them. Like shadows they were, that can transform as the flame dances. Never underestimate them because of what you first see." Now is it just me... so we know the Parshendi can change, but how fast? We haven't seen a rapid transformation and most I've read states they need a highstorm. HOWEVER, we have seen rapid changes with Aimians through Axies. Yes he's doing small things such as writing on his skin, but he can change anything from stopping his ability to smell to banishing headaches and healing wounds. I could be way off, but perhaps they were in league with the voidbringers or something of the sorts. They seem like they can change "as the flame dances" more than the Parshendi can. And they seem like the type you would underestimate. Although, truth be told that also links well with dull form etc which would be seen as not very dangerous. It just seems like a possible link? The statement that they changed even as they fought them... and transform as the flame dances.. it insinuates rapid changes in the moment. That would link with needing to be redeemed, and also destroyed. Ignore the part that they may have been in league. Thats pretty much written in the books with Yelig-nar killing loads of dudes. Still - My point stands! I think this is about them, and they need redemption/destruction. Some say they may be one in the same... (me).. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 28 minutes ago, Velvet Thunder said: Ignore the part that they may have been in league. Thats pretty much written in the books with Yelig-nar killing loads of dudes. Still - My point stands! I think this is about them, and they need redemption/destruction. Some say they may be one in the same... (me).. Have you read Edgedancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krandacth Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 My head canon (posted in another thread already) is that the Aimians are who the Radiants were fighting leading up to the Recreance, and that they were fighting because the Aimians believed something at least similar to what Nale believes, that the existence of Surgebinders somehow increases the chance of a Desolation. Even if that isn't the reason, I think it very likely that the Radiants were fighting the Aimians, and that, in the hundreds/thousands of years since the Recreance, the legends about the various non-human adversaries of the Radiants have been conflated under the heading of "Voidbringer". The reason I think the Aimians started such a large conflict for what they thought was the greater good (and therefore need redemption, having been wrong) is that this would be a great case of unreliable narration on a global scale: many descriptions and stories of Voidbringers accurately describe Odium-based listener forms, but many describe one or the other form of Aimian, who (it will transpire) are kinda-sorta good guys. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 19 minutes ago, Krandacth said: My head canon (posted in another thread already) is that the Aimians are who the Radiants were fighting leading up to the Recreance, and that they were fighting because the Aimians believed something at least similar to what Nale believes, that the existence of Surgebinders somehow increases the chance of a Desolation. Even if that isn't the reason, I think it very likely that the Radiants were fighting the Aimians, and that, in the hundreds/thousands of years since the Recreance, the legends about the various non-human adversaries of the Radiants have been conflated under the heading of "Voidbringer". The reason I think the Aimians started such a large conflict for what they thought was the greater good (and therefore need redemption, having been wrong) is that this would be a great case of unreliable narration on a global scale: many descriptions and stories of Voidbringers accurately describe Odium-based listener forms, but many describe one or the other form of Aimian, who (it will transpire) are kinda-sorta good guys. I hadn't thought about that specifically but it makes sense. I think I'll combine this with my idea about the Aimian. The back cover of tWoK makes it pretty clear that they understood that the Heralds lied and the desolations would return. So in their attempts to make this known, they inadvertently became "enemies of Vorinism" and over time void brings like you say. I like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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