Bloodfalcon he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 I'm going to take you through my complete thought process here. It's not long, and it's not very intellectual, but these couple ideas kept me busy for around 10 minutes, so... I was thinking on the "Soulcast air into bridges" topic, and what it really means if you can Soulcast air into things.... considering it is everywhere. Unless you are having a space battle, that's pretty over powered, hahaha. Then I started thinking "What if someone tried to Soulcast the entire atmosphere around Roshar into.... well it wouldn't really matter, because any material would doom the planet. That would be a really villainous thing to do, however obnoxious that storyline would be. They'd have to hunt for some huge gemheart that could handle Soulcasting like that. Oh my gosh it would be the Bowl of the Winds quest all over again." But you wouldn't really need a huge gemheart, would you? You could probably just bring standard gems (or however Soulcasting KR take in Stormlight) into a hightstorm and have like infinite Stormlight. That is on such a huge scale that it sounds like you could poke 1 bajillion holes in it, but what if instead you just walked into a highstorm and Soulcast the storm itself into something?! Picture Jasnah in armor walking into a highstorm and Soulcasting it into food ( I like to think it would be pot pies) and then literally eating the Stormfather. Hey Brandon, if you ever need a co-author/idea man, private message me and we can exchange phone numbers. 4
The Rooster he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 I love soulcasting huge things (like by blood castle idea). I think the issue with soulcasting in a high storm is that the gems are infused in one moment, not throughout. Notice when Kaladin us strung up it happens when he sees the storm father. Maybe if they went to the source they could manage it! I hope if it happens they soulcast the air all into blood. Gross! 1
Duskshard he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 To have the power to soulcast an atmosphere I think you'd need to command the power of a Shard. I can't see a Surgebinder being able to achieve it even if he had 1000 fully infuse gemhearts.
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 I just want a scene with Jasnah walking through a high storm, Soulcasting all the boulders into smoke before they hit her. 1
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 I love soulcasting huge things (like by blood castle idea). I think the issue with soulcasting in a high storm is that the gems are infused in one moment, not throughout. Notice when Kaladin us strung up it happens when he sees the storm father. Maybe if they went to the source they could manage it! I hope if it happens they soulcast the air all into blood. Gross! Yeah I meant in the center. Soulcasting happens instantly though, right? It wouldn't take a long time either way.
king of nowhere Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 soulcasting is not so vastly powerful. While I agree it is definitely a very powerful magic, it is sharply limited by what gems can handle, and gems only grow so big. there's no way you can soulcast the whole atmosphere, or even a significant part of it. I was just dreaming of soulcasting carbon dioxide to oil to have clean energy forever, but won't have the necessary scale. I'm prety sure there's no way jasnah can walk into a storm and soulcast it. soulcasting the rocks as they fly towards her however would be a possibility. with skill aand plenty of stormlight (as correctly pointed out, gems recharge only once during the storm) she could maybe soulcast every single raindrop that come close to hitting her, walking into a highstomr and remaining absolutely dry during all the process. that would be really badass!
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Or the equivalent with a Parshendi army or something. It could get disturbing fast if she was turning them into blood though.
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) soulcasting is not so vastly powerful. While I agree it is definitely a very powerful magic, it is sharply limited by what gems can handle, and gems only grow so big. there's no way you can soulcast the whole atmosphere, or even a significant part of it. I was just dreaming of soulcasting carbon dioxide to oil to have clean energy forever, but won't have the necessary scale. I'm prety sure there's no way jasnah can walk into a storm and soulcast it. soulcasting the rocks as they fly towards her however would be a possibility. with skill aand plenty of stormlight (as correctly pointed out, gems recharge only once during the storm) she could maybe soulcast every single raindrop that come close to hitting her, walking into a highstomr and remaining absolutely dry during all the process. that would be really badass! Who's to say that a gemheart from one of those island creatures couldn't provide enough power for an entire highstorm? Much much much smaller gems can soulcast entire barracks and that sort of thing. And Stormlight restoration has only one data point, and the POV character was seeing faces in the sky at the time, on top of being nearly unconscious. So not really a great data point to make assumptions on. As stated above, if someone were to remain in the center of the storm, perhaps the Stormlight would continue to flow through the gems. If I remember correctly, we aren't even sure what causes gems to crack. It could be the stress of losing Stormlight quickly or in certain amounts or just when they run out of Stormlight so many times. Edited February 10, 2014 by Bloodfalcon
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 Or the equivalent with a Parshendi army or something. It could get disturbing fast if she was turning them into blood though. It is most environmentally friendly to turn them to wood. Defeat opponents and plant a forest in one move! Alethi are happy, Roshar is happy, Parshendii are plants with no feelings. Win-win-win?
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 *Parshendi leaps* *Turns into wood* *Jashah gets a life-size wooden statue to the face*
Terra of Roshar she/her Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 (as correctly pointed out, gems recharge only once during the storm) Is there WOB confirming this? Because I had always assumed that gems could be infused with stormlight several times in a single highstorm from this: Memories of deathspren were blended with relived parts of his life-- and both mixed with strange, sudden shocks of strength-- icy cold, but refreshing. WOK hardback, p. 568 (emphasis Brandon's) This is from the first chapter after Kaladin wakes up after the highstorm, and he's thinking back on the experience. I assumed when I first read it that it meant the sphere was recharged several times during the highstorm. Is there some reason to believe otherwise?
Moogle Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) This is from the first chapter after Kaladin wakes up after the highstorm, and he's thinking back on the experience. I assumed when I first read it that it meant the sphere was recharged several times during the highstorm. Is there some reason to believe otherwise? Kaladin seems to be referring to Teft giving him multiple spheres over the course of his recovery when he talks about the multiple shocks of strength. Kaladin sees his sphere recharge precisely one time, and that's when he sees the Stormfather. We have no evidence showing that spheres recharge multiple times. It's possible, but my current opinion is that they only recharge once (when the face shows itself and the barrier between realms is broken (?)). Edited February 10, 2014 by Moogle
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 Is there WOB confirming this? Because I had always assumed that gems could be infused with stormlight several times in a single highstorm from this: This is from the first chapter after Kaladin wakes up after the highstorm, and he's thinking back on the experience. I assumed when I first read it that it meant the sphere was recharged several times during the highstorm. Is there some reason to believe otherwise? I confirmed the specific event where we see the gem recharge once. I then made a point that it is a very large assumption to assume from that quote that we know really any details about how gems are charged. Nothing I have seen has said how many times, but it could have just been Kaladin using the same sphere several times subconsciously. I have no idea.
Terra of Roshar she/her Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Nothing I have seen has said how many times, but it could have just been Kaladin using the same sphere several times subconsciously. I have no idea. Yeah, I guess that could be the case. It just seems to me like we would have seen more instances of people only using part of the stormlight in a gem if that was the case. But, like you said, we don't really know. Maybe WOR will clear things up.
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Sanderson pls nerf Expected WoK 1.1 patch notes : .... Shardblades: Now summoned after 20 eyelid blinks, up from 10 heartbeats, allowing Shardbearers to summon Shardblades much faster but at the cost of basically blinding themselves and looking really silly. Soulcasting: Effects doubled for each Soulcasting fabrial worn with an additional 100% effectiveness if the user has access to the Transformation surge. Windrunners: Only able to use the 3 lashings while breaking wind. Soulcasting OP Edited February 10, 2014 by Bloodfalcon 3
Maresia he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Expected WoK 1.1b patch notes : ... Soulcasting: dual-wielding fabrials too OP, Additional effectiveness reduced from 100% to 98,7% Windrunners faction changed to Windrangers. Edited February 10, 2014 by Maresia 2
lummi he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 How much stormlight do you need to soulcast something ?
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 How much stormlight do you need to soulcast something ? Depends on several factors I think. Probably something like size, the difference in material between the two objects, and your knowledge of what you are trying to Soulcast into. The scene when Jasnah explains to Shallan about the jam is where I'm getting this idea from. 1
Moogle Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 Depends on several factors I think. Probably something like size, the difference in material between the two objects, and your knowledge of what you are trying to Soulcast into. The scene when Jasnah explains to Shallan about the jam is where I'm getting this idea from. I'm not so sure complexity means you need more Stormlight. Jasnah didn't use a ton of Stormlight in changing the jam, she just failed to change it properly. I think you're on to something with the 'difference in material between the two objects' bit, as it relates strongly to the limitations of Awakening.
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Author Posted February 11, 2014 I'm not so sure complexity means you need more Stormlight. Jasnah didn't use a ton of Stormlight in changing the jam, she just failed to change it properly. I think you're on to something with the 'difference in material between the two objects' bit, as it relates strongly to the limitations of Awakening. Honestly, I listed the things Jasnah said just to cover all the bases. When I think on it a bit more critically, I don't think complexity will be a Stormlight quantity thing, because I think that will be one of the talents that naturally separates Elsecallers from Lightweavers. One is a more creative group and able to invent things. The other is garbage at that because their minds are focused differently. No doubt they will have their own talents due to that, of course.
hoser he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 Hilarious! Expected WoK 1.1 patch notes : ...Windrunners faction changed to Windrangbreakers.Windbreakrunners: Only able to use the 3 lashings while breaking wind. I fixed it for ya. Taking this with inappropriate seriousness: Shallan feels the stormlight when she soulcasts. This could imply that the size of a soulcasting is limited by both the amount of stormlight available and the capacity of the Soulcasting surgebinder. If Brandon wants to limit what can be done by soulcasting, the fix is already in as we know that Kaladin and Szeth both talk about a limit to the amount of stormlight they can hold.
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Author Posted February 11, 2014 Hilarious! I fixed it for ya. Taking this with inappropriate seriousness: Shallan feels the stormlight when she soulcasts. This could imply that the size of a soulcasting is limited by both the amount of stormlight available and the capacity of the Soulcasting surgebinder. If Brandon wants to limit what can be done by soulcasting, the fix is already in as we know that Kaladin and Szeth both talk about a limit to the amount of stormlight they can hold. Maybe after a couple Ideals.... BLOODSTORMS
vikorr Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 The main passage for the limitations of soulcasting come from when Jasnah killed those 4 thugs. Quite Frankly, Khaladin could kill them with much less effort, and no cracked gems (but not so spectacularly). I'd say that each of the surges have area's where they are particularly useful. And we don't have any evidence of air being soulcast into things. Wasn't there somewhere where crem was moulded into Barracks and then soulcast, hence the poor shape of the barracks?
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Author Posted February 11, 2014 The main passage for the limitations of soulcasting come from when Jasnah killed those 4 thugs. Quite Frankly, Khaladin could kill them with much less effort, and no cracked gems (but not so spectacularly). I'd say that each of the surges have area's where they are particularly useful. And we don't have any evidence of air being soulcast into things. Wasn't there somewhere where crem was moulded into Barracks and then soulcast, hence the poor shape of the barracks? Pretty sure it is based on the 10 essences. Air being one of them.
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