Yata he/him Posted May 21, 2017 Posted May 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Kered said: He hasn't tried it yet. The combination of Ruin and Preservation is a new thing. Something that Odium has not faced yet. I don't think he's going to throw all his chips on being able manipulate Sazed. He has to find a way to get more power, just in case his plans fall through. Evil like Odium doesn't settle on one plan. He has a focal plan, with others waiting in the wing. Like I've said before, I'm not saying a combo with Odium and another Shard is going to happen. I'm saying that unlike before, it's no longer out of the realm of possibility. Harmony is a 300 years old being in Stormlight Archive. I could not call him strictly a new thing
Kered he/him Posted May 21, 2017 Posted May 21, 2017 Just now, Yata said: Harmony is a 300 years old being in Stormlight Archive. I could not call him strictly a new thing Compared to the time Odium has been trapped in Roshar, Harmony is relatively new. I was really talking about the combination of two Shards being a new event we haven't seen before. Not new as in the longevity of Sazed as Harmony.
Spoolofwhool Posted May 21, 2017 Posted May 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Kered said: Strictly for the fact that Brandon has said, multiple times, that Odium is afraid of Harmony. That's not what Brandon has said. He said that Odium was afraid that Harmony would form, two shards merged, requiring effort to split apart. This does not mean that Odium is actually afraid of Harmony, but maybe more the extra effort required to beat him. The only other source I could find for Odium being afraid of something involving Harmony is one that indicates that Odium is wary of Harmony, which is still not the same thing as fear, and doesn't seem to contradict my opinion. https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/1ced7z/iamstilla_novelist_named_brandon_sanderson_ama/c9hpuvd/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/508cw8/favorite_god/d72352a/ 1
Kered he/him Posted May 21, 2017 Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: That's not what Brandon has said. He said that Odium was afraid that Harmony would form, two shards merged, requiring effort to split apart. This does not mean that Odium is actually afraid of Harmony, but maybe more the extra effort required to beat him. The only other source I could find for Odium being afraid of something involving Harmony is one that indicates that Odium is wary of Harmony, which is still not the same thing as fear, and doesn't seem to contradict my opinion. https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/1ced7z/iamstilla_novelist_named_brandon_sanderson_ama/c9hpuvd/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/508cw8/favorite_god/d72352a/ http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt='harmony' Numbers 25 and 15. ADAM Does Hoid believe that Shards are the most powerful thing? BRANDON SANDERSON You'll have to ask him sometime. [gives troll grin]. Or see him get asked something like that sometime. There's argument to be made that right now Harmony is the most powerful thing in the Cosmere. ERICTH Could Sazed take down Rayse since he has two shards? BRANDON SANDERSON Rayse is VERY scared of Sazed. However, given Sazed is a composite of two diametrically opposed shards, he finds it very difficult to act. I think this feeds into my opinion that is no longer out of the realm of possibility that Odium may change the way he's been doing things. You're right Brandon didn't say Odium was afraid, he said Odium is VERY afraid. Edited May 21, 2017 by Kered 2
Spoolofwhool Posted May 21, 2017 Posted May 21, 2017 51 minutes ago, Kered said: You're right Brandon didn't say Odium was afraid, he said Odium is VERY afraid. Please don't make stupid comments like this regarding adjective inclusion. I said what I believed to be correct based on the WoBs I had found. I didn't see those ones because I was looking for Odium, not Rayse. Regardless, I still don't think Odium would change his mindset. Like I said, the mindset of not changing who he is, and the mindset of being uncontested appear to be fundamental parts of him. If something were enough to change either of them, and we're talking a complete mental shift of his own volition to one that he finds distasteful, I would figure that it would actually change a lot of other parts of him as well. He might not even want to go after other shards anymore, especially once other intents start to change him, weakening the odium which has caused him to lash out at the other shards.
Kered he/him Posted May 21, 2017 Posted May 21, 2017 34 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: Please don't make stupid comments like this regarding adjective inclusion. I said what I believed to be correct based on the WoBs I had found. I didn't see those ones because I was looking for Odium, not Rayse. Regardless, I still don't think Odium would change his mindset. Like I said, the mindset of not changing who he is, and the mindset of being uncontested appear to be fundamental parts of him. If something were enough to change either of them, and we're talking a complete mental shift of his own volition to one that he finds distasteful, I would figure that it would actually change a lot of other parts of him as well. He might not even want to go after other shards anymore, especially once other intents start to change him, weakening the odium which has caused him to lash out at the other shards. It wasn't a stupid comment, it was an obvious one, there was no way of me knowing the details of your search. Just that you said something that was in direct contradiction with what I found. I just wanted to make my point clear, and you took it the wrong way. I am sorry if I offended you. We also don't know if it's strictly his intent that is fueling his plans. In the Letter it is stated by Hoid that Rayze was crafty. Know I now it's also said by Frost that he speculates that Rayze is more of a force than a person now, but I still think there is a little of Rayze left. I believe this because of his actions. Odiums purpose could be a coupling of his intent and his plan to be the strongest in the cosmere. If it was just his intent that was fueling him now, he wouldn't be "very afraid" he would just be more angry. Harmony presents a obstacle of Odium becoming the most powerful being, or at the very least, the last shard standing. The way he has been going about his business has to change. Even before Harmony, Odiums plans hit big speed bumps (getting trapped in Roshar). I think it's foolish to not think there might be a combo of Odium in the future, even if it's not Rayse's idea. I also think it's foolish to think that Odiums plans won't change if he ever gets out of Roshar. Again, whether it's in the form of Odium merging with another Shard or him changing the way he splinters in order to get at Harmony, Odiums mindset will change. He's shown to much intelligence thus far to completely commit to one game plan no matter what happens in the cosmere. 1
Hoids Imaginary Friend Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) For some reason I've got it in my head Odium will be defeated by the end of book 5 in a very specific way and like most new sharders I feel it to be prophetic. (Ok, its going to get a bit out there here, but I hear thats where the truth might be so bear with me) A 3rd previously unknown shard gets involved and will be instrumental in Odiums downfall. Im guessing the shard of divine wrath.. Now wrath has been waiting for its moment when Odium is using up his powers and is overly distracted or invested and brings divine wrath to hate, and in an unprecedented way tears the vessal from the shard.. But before it can show its wrath to the now physical Rayse, cultivation makes her play and takes up Odium and becomes.. (cultivated hate..) Vengance.! Than she tells wrath to mind its own business and go home. Wrath keenly outmatched prudently dissapears after saying a few choice words that will be talked about for decades by us ignorant sharders. Vengance than starts putting Honor back together which isnt a quick process but does involve a bit of honor-un-investing and is quite dramatic for poor planet Roshar. Now we have a tripple shard entitled.. (honorable vengance..) Justice.! Unfortunately this tripple shard combo doesnt mix well like harmony and starts tearing itself apart in a very dramatic way.. Remember Dalinars last vision at the end of WoK? Yeah well that happens.. and theres a mass exodus from Roshar to.. Ashyn. Not everyone survives :*( So, what Im saying is. In this hypothetical scenario Cultivation ends up worse than Odium. And in about 7 years you may tell me how wrong I am though i dont think ill mind cause its going to be awesome.! !~ HIF ~! Edited May 23, 2017 by Hoids Imaginary Friend Spelling 3
+Extesian he/him Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 @Hoids Imaginary Friend I think you're wrong, but I hope you're right and either way I really like your Shard-combinations now I'll be thinking about fun Shard mixes all night. Shard cocktails. Autonomy+Endowment+Lemon+Soda water makes a tasty glass of Bubbly Libertarian. Odium+Preservation+Orange Juice for a Hangover Shattering. (I'll stop now) 1
Hoids Imaginary Friend Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Extesian said: @Hoids Imaginary Friend I think you're wrong Well, while I'm priming a mock outraged rant I just want to say those 4 words gave me giggles. You know, don't be shy about it mate just come right out and say it! 1 hour ago, Extesian said: @Hoids Imaginary Friend but I hope you're right We should be friends..! Or at the very least, associates of a secret organisation. 1 hour ago, Extesian said: @Hoids Imaginary Friend either way ** nods ** I see you have an open mind. *** Warning!! Rant primed ** What!! Did you not notice I have a statutory limitation for this post of "about 7 years" for any negative feedback!! This, your eyes did not see?! For you I challenge Vorinism at the expense of my soul and give you prophesy.. And a new shard! Oh, the life of fain will (Incoherent Gibberish) with the Gods! And I (some uncouth and unbecoming words best not repeated) with the light falling to the earth as the fires rise there will be.. ** Coughing fit followed by 3 deep breaths than raises 1 fist to the heaven's ** Justice!!! **panting ** Anyone else parched? I could go a Harmonious Larger.. Its dark, bitter and frothy and always hits the spot. Preserves well but may give you bowel problems the next day. "Feels like someone is in your head? Have a pint of harmony and talk back" Spoiler small print Every 1 in 16 may or may not be spiked !~ HIF ~! Edited May 23, 2017 by Hoids Imaginary Friend Spelling grammar spoiler
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