Gizmosowner he/him Posted January 30, 2017 Posted January 30, 2017 This isn't a theory, it's more of me just wondering what the cosmere would have been like if TLR decided to use the power in the well of ascension to build giant space ships or a portal to another shard world instead of screwing up scaadrial and then he took the 9 allomancer kings and their subjects with him. Anyone have ideas for how this super unrealistic could play out as we know that TLR knew or at least had an idea of life beyond Scaadrial.
king of nowhere Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 the spaceships would have broken down midvoyage because nobody had any idea how to operate them or make spare parts. barring that, he could have easily conquered another planet. I wonder if ruin would have followed.
Gizmosowner he/him Posted January 31, 2017 Author Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, king of nowhere said: the spaceships would have broken down midvoyage because nobody had any idea how to operate them or make spare parts. barring that, he could have easily conquered another planet. I wonder if ruin would have followed. If he could poof them out of thin air then I think he could make metal tablets with the information to work them. I'm unsure on of he could have conquer d planets because I feel like Hoid or some other cosmeric force would have stopped him. Also ruin would not be able to follow due to his imprisonment keeping him on Scaadrial and if he needed to Rashek could do what he did in he original timeline and hide the WA Edited January 31, 2017 by Gizmosowner
Gizmosowner he/him Posted January 31, 2017 Author Posted January 31, 2017 I'm not sure where but I remember reading that Elantris took place about 1000 years before Final Empire which means if Rashek booked it to Sel first for whatever reason (maybe it's closest) then Raoden and Rashek could have met without him being corrupted by ruin since he wouldn't have the bracers in at this point
Gizmosowner he/him Posted January 31, 2017 Author Posted January 31, 2017 Hi spool I see you browsing
Spoolofwhool Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 I mean, he could've used the power of the Well to worldhop at that instance. I don't think actually creating spaceships or plans for spaceships would've been possible, too many things he would've had to figure out. Let's not forget he never actually solved any of the problems he made, just made them less significant with every change. In any case, even if he had been able to do so, it probably still would've taken centuries to reach the technological level required to create and maintain those crafts.
Gizmosowner he/him Posted January 31, 2017 Author Posted January 31, 2017 Considering he moved a planet in orbit and created volcanoes and made special microbes that could break down ash I don't think it would have been to much trouble for his expanded mind. You are righting that it would have been easier to world hop everyone and it does make slot of sense but then they would be without supplies on aforeignnplanet with a army of demigod elantrian that would wipe him out if he tried to attack them. (Assuming he lands on sel)
king of nowhere Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 38 minutes ago, Gizmosowner said: If he could poof them out of thin air then I think he could make metal tablets with the information to work them. Ok, let's have this tought experiment. take a society 300 years older than us, and give them a manual to operate a spacecraft a few centuries more advanced than ours. they don't have the machines to make the pieces they need, they don't have the machines to make those machines, they don't have the machines to make the machines to make the machines, they don't have the capacity to extract the resources to make those machines, and they don't even know how to make the machines needed to extract said resources. it's like you were trying to make a fully working computer starting with sand and a book of instructions. 1
Gizmosowner he/him Posted January 31, 2017 Author Posted January 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, king of nowhere said: Ok, let's have this tought experiment. take a society 300 years older than us, and give them a manual to operate a spacecraft a few centuries more advanced than ours. they don't have the machines to make the pieces they need, they don't have the machines to make those machines, they don't have the machines to make the machines to make the machines, they don't have the capacity to extract the resources to make those machines, and they don't even know how to make the machines needed to extract said resources. it's like you were trying to make a fully working computer starting with sand and a book of instructions. Sand and the majority of preservations power and a expanded conscience that presumably would know yolen level tech. Plus classic Scaadrial had gun powder and steam power so it was as only a century or two ahead plus the lord ruled could poof EVERYTHING they would need out of think air during his time with the power.
Oversleep Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 Actually if TLR just took everyone away to another planet - uninhabited but hospitable - like mass exodus, it would solve almost all of the problems. Ruin would still get to destroy the planet but it wouldn't matter anymore. Before he got free the Metallic Arts would work all right - they'd only stop if Preservation and Ruin deInvested Scadrial, however it would came to be (their anihilation, anihilation of Scadrial, Ruin winning and destroying Scadrial, pick your choice). Of course there would be the question of whether Ruin would feel compelled to destroy them after having already destroyed Scadrial. Anyway we'd end up with Ruin rampaging universe.
Gizmosowner he/him Posted January 31, 2017 Author Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Oversleep said: Actually if TLR just took everyone away to another planet - uninhabited but hospitable - like mass exodus, it would solve almost all of the problems. Ruin would still get to destroy the planet but it wouldn't matter anymore. Before he got free the Metallic Arts would work all right - they'd only stop if Preservation and Ruin deInvested Scadrial, however it would came to be (their anihilation, anihilation of Scadrial, Ruin winning and destroying Scadrial, pick your choice). Of course there would be the question of whether Ruin would feel compelled to destroy them after having already destroyed Scadrial. Anyway we'd end up with Ruin rampaging universe. Wait how would ruin destroy the planet if he is still stuck in the well of ascension? Wouldn't he just be alone on the planet with not sentient life to manipulate and only the bust of leras s conscience for company? I don't know why but I like the idea of him and his follows s going to sel or maybe threnondy.
Oversleep Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 33 minutes ago, Gizmosowner said: Wait how would ruin destroy the planet if he is still stuck in the well of ascension? Well, I think that Preservation would eventually die. Agony can't last forever, even for Shards.
Spoolofwhool Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 44 minutes ago, Gizmosowner said: Sand and the majority of preservations power and a expanded conscience that presumably would know yolen level tech. Plus classic Scaadrial had gun powder and steam power so it was as only a century or two ahead plus the lord ruled could poof EVERYTHING they would need out of think air during his time with the power. The power lasted for a moment. He probably also didn't have the power to actual create everything required, nor conceptualize everything. We're talking about creating systems which were completely unlike anything else which was currently existing, unlike what he actually did, which was performs modifications on all existing systems. The power was not unlimited as you seem to think, nor did it grant him any measure of omniscience. It expanded his mind yes, and that allowed him to learn how to fine-tune the use of the power in those moments, but there is no way he could've developed systems capable of space travel in that time. 40 minutes ago, Gizmosowner said: Wait how would ruin destroy the planet if he is still stuck in the well of ascension? Wouldn't he just be alone on the planet with not sentient life to manipulate and only the bust of leras s conscience for company? I don't know why but I like the idea of him and his follows s going to sel or maybe threnondy. The Well was breaking down over time. It was never designed to be a permanent solution. Ruin was slowly winning over time, effecting changes such as the Deepness and changing the Terris prophecices. Given time, he would've still destroyed the world, which probably would've dissolved his prison, leaving him free to kill Leras then move on to another world. This is why the periodic Hero of Ages existed, to use the power of the Well to push back his influence and maintain the prison.
Yata he/him Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 When Ruin will be free, He would probably chase the Scadrial popolation...After all they have some of his power in their soul and without that power He would be uncapable of challenging other Shards. Much more, TLR far from scadrial would be unable to obtain Atium to stay alive
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